What do you think of Jesus the man? His philosophies? Do you think that the Bible represents his teachings coherently, or do you think their own two cents were dropped in as word-in-his-mouth?

Do you think he had a sense of humor? That he had a normal childhood? Where did he go during his lost years?

It's funny. Reading Lamb, by Christopher Moore, for the second time, I came to wonder what Jesus really DID do during his missing years. Even as an Atheist I am sure that Jesus was a real person-- not a special person, just a philosopher, a teacher, more than likely. So this is based on that assumption that he may have been a real man, regardless of whether one believes he's the Messiah or not.

Well, I decided to do some research, and it turns out that Christopher may not have been far off in his story about Jesus traveling to the East.




There's a strong theory that asserts he went to India and Tibet during his eighteen unrecorded years. I think I can see strong influence of Taoist philosophy in his teaching, so this isn't far fetched at all to me personally.

I'm curious to see how many Atheists believe Jesus was a historical figure at the least.

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I think a fair amount of people in this thread/discussion have gone COMPLETELY off-topic, which I would just like to say now that I think everyone should stick to the topic at hand which shows respect to the thread author.

With that aside I think it would be completely and utterly asinine for anyone to say with 100% certainty that Jesus was "not" a real man. He very well could have been a preacher/teacher of some degree. There is evidence that points toward the possibility that he didn't exist, there is evidence that points toward the possibility that he did exist (as a man, not a messiah). So, with the knowledge that not a single damn one of us were there to confirm or deny ANY evidence. It would be ignorant to consider his "existence" an impossibility.

From there, honestly, anything and everything he could have possibly done is pure speculation.

Now, in my personal opinion. I believe that any influence in the bible from India or Tibet, came from whoever the writers of the bible were, and their experiences with those places. Not Jesus Christ, if he actually existed.
I like your point about confusing opinion with fact, paragon. My grandmother used to say, "If you can't tell an opinion from a fact, then you can't know anything!".
Yeah, I apologize for that. I actually meant for the title to be listed as it is now, but it wasn't coming to my head as briefly written when I created the discussion. Brain block.
First, I have to say that Lamb is one of my favorite books. Christopher Moore is a genius, and I aspire to be as loyal a friend to someone as Biff was to Joshua (though perhaps without the jumping-off-a-cliff bit.)

That said, I would like to think that Jesus is a real person. While the scriptures may not be an accurate account of one man's life, I like to hope that maybe there was an extraordinary person who preached love, kindness and forgiveness and was as selfless as the Biblical man was made out to be.

Personally, I'd find it even more inspiring if he were just an ordinary man who managed to bring about so much change through living a good life rather than some divine being who always knew he was going to paradise anyway. Living his life, just as unsure as the rest of us, yet brave enough to stand up and be the change he wanted to see in his world. That > Jewish Zombie any day.

As a man, I'm sure he'd have a sense of humor. Maybe a good one, maybe not. It'd be great if he were like Christopher Moore's Joshua, wouldn't it? "Just f*ckin' with ya..." and Jew-do, hah!

As for historical evidence, I've read many books on both sides of the argument and I simply have not found any convincing argument that Jesus Christ is anything other than a myth. Most likely he was created as an example to use in stories and writing that were then taught to the masses and eventually became a legend, kind of like Santa Claus.

It'd still be awesome if he were just some guy who decided to do a bunch of awesome stuff, though. :-)

Haha, 'as good a friend as Biff was to Joshua' . . . suffering the onslaught of prostitutes in animal stalls so that he can understand sin. So self sacrificing. ;)
Jesus merely stole the story of Krishna-- to the letter.
The only record of his own words are in the Gospel of Thomas and those sayings aren't very deep or intelligent.
When the shit hit the fan and Simon was crucified in Jesus' place, Jesus split the region and went to Kashmir.
Yes, my sources are three documentaries:

The Hidden Story of Jesus by Robert Beckford [theologian] -- it's on YouTube
Who Wrote the Bible by Robert Beckford -- also on YouTube
Religulous by Bill Maher

I recently started making a spreadsheet where I list all the aspects of Jesus and the other major prophets/gods in question. I don't have complete information on all of them but so far the strongest correlation is between Jesus and Krishna (also known as Krista in some dialects).

I'll post the spreadsheet online in a few days.
There are many parallels between the Jesus story and a host of deity legends from other cultures, too. The Egyptian story of Horus for example is quite similar, as is the tale of Dionysis and that of Krishna and also about half a dozen others.

It's quite likely that the Jesus myth was taken from one or more of these older tales and adapted to fit the "messiah" that the Jewish tradition is waiting for.

Yes, but it's said that Jesus went to India during his missing years and the Krishna correlation appears to be strongest (so far). You'll see when I post a link to my spreadsheet that compares the prophets.

I like the flaming red hair in your mini-photo by the way. It's a good hue.
I like the flaming red hair in your mini-photo by the way. It's a good hue.

Thank you! :)
But what is absent in the Hebraic tradition is the rewriting of history to glorify the current dynastic clan. Moreover Hebraic scribes wrote down current events as they happen. And the prophet wrote down things as they shall appear in the future. Another major difference that differentiates the Hebraic Tradition. However fictional works did eventually get distributed during the Hellenistic era.
All of which related the past as myths in other cultures.
The first Century tradition would include living books or oracles. At present I am not privy to these living oracles. "The Lampstands and Olive trees before the God of the whole Earth." They escaped Jerusalem before it's destruction in 70 AD.

They will return after the Jewish Temple is rebuilt. Then the prophetic clock of Daniel Chapter 9 will start ticking again. "These will have the power to close the heavens in the days of their prophecies ( that it rains not) and to turn rivers into blood."


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