The Koran has much advice for relationships, like this....
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:
If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)
This is a criminal felony in most societies... The people that claim the Bible or Koran treat men and woman as equals have not read their book.
Do they believe that these old traditions keep family and society together? The world has evolved, they can't turn the clock back. A powerful, self-sufficient woman does not mean the end of the world. It is a good thing when woman can choose her own path.
Welcome to Think Atheist Lamia,
I saw that you were trying to connect with the Atheists of Morocco group. I encourage you to keep posting, even if it seems there is no activity, a lot of people DO read what's written and your voice is still heard from Morocco, even if you don't always get a reply. So speak your mind girl.
Also, like you are doing - starting discussions on the regular forum here, you'll find that there are a lot of Atheists on this site who HAVE studied the Koran. (Emperor Milos comes to mind) along with a lot of others, so even if you don't find a ton of people from Morocco to connect with, you are in good company.
I'll admit I've become intrigued in studying Islam myself, so much so that I am trying to learn Arabic. It's moving at glacier speed since I'm teaching myself, but..nonetheless...
I'm interested to know if YOU think that most Muslim women are happy with their lives, or if they are unhappy, or do they know the difference? That may seem like an odd question but it's something I've been pondering myself.
I had married into a Mexican family. Although not all women in the culture are this way, my family in particular is largely uneducated, uninformed, and unaware, and there is a saying "ignorance is bliss." But the other aspect of the culture was that you just didn't discuss deep emotions. Everything stayed superficial, lighthearted, and the focus was always on working and eating - survival. Even though the family lived here in the United States. The idea of self-actualizing was really never thought of or even a priority. It's all about taking care of the kids, cooking food, keeping the house clean, and working..That is life. Nothing really much else.
I am not sure if this mentality has anything to do with Catholicism directly. But I do believe indirectly - yes. That's a whole other topic, but I am basically saying that I'm really intrigued by the parallels I see between Muslim women and the culture, and Latin American culture. It's something that I have been pondering and studying for a while now.
In Spanish there is even a word, "Ojala" which in English means, "God willing" and is used as an expression of when you hope for something to happen. But it's root is an Arabic word, notice the "ala" in there. It is derived from the Moors of Spain. There are lots of Spanish words that take root from the Arabic language. When I hear Arabic I hear it. I see the connections. I think that linguistic influences can be a key to understanding social attitudes. I see all of these parallels between Arabic and Latin America, and it really makes me think of a lot of deeper questions.
I'm curious what your experience is growing up in Italy. Did you feel empowered to step outside of your culture and learn new things?
Well I must warn you that my english is not that perfect so...
By the way, I live in a catholic state, where the influence of the Pope is strong and people act under this influence. Here women are considered equal to men by the law but actually there are discriminations at work and in the normal life. The thing that makes me really angry is the italian rape conception: the law condemns the rapist, but actually they condemn the victim "here skirt was too short" or "what she was doing in the middle of the night in town?" and things like that.
Talking about islam, I live in a family where the only thing about islam that is followed is Ramadan "because you have to" so it was easy to not be brainwashed like other moroccan girls who are born and raised here like me. I had the time to think about religion and I understood things that made me realise that either islam and christianity are not what I need in my life.
That's really heartbreaking. When I see women wrapped with veils telling me that Islam is the religion of peace I ask them "what are the rights that islam gives you?" and they say stuff like "my muslim husband gives me the right to stay at home and not go out and work thanks to the Koran." I say "the RIGHT?!" I really don't know what to say then because they are girls that have been in a european country for their whole life, how they can even think that stay at home like a prisoner is a RIGHT?!
Hey Sisters - you have the rights to be chillin' and drinkin' lemonade so long as you don't start any of that back chattin' to the men.
Nothing is wrong with you Belle. You don’t agree with it or think like that. It is just because it was so deep rooted that it has a familiarity to it that you recognise. It is like seeing a face that you can’t immediately place and then you realise that face was the old you.