Is there even a point to debate Christians?
Most of my friends on Facebook are my old christian friends. I find that I cannot post anything even remotely atheist in nature without being drug into a debate. At first I thought, I figured it out, when I tell them what I have learned the facts are irrefutable that the Bible is fake. Well, as you all know, it does not work that way.
I have debated science and logic to them. Anytime they are stumped they start personally attacking me and ignore the question. I then started a period of using solely the Bible alone to refute the Bible. They would debate whatever I say with other Bible verses. When I point out that the reason I can use one verse to refute the Bible and they can use another is because they contradict each other, they again get angry and start personal attacks.
In my town there are not many atheist. It is a small town in texas and everyone is a christian. I think they actually talked about me in the "mega church" here that I used to be a member of because a lot of the group leaders added me. At least this group has a scientific, biblical and historical knowledge enough to have a decent debate with. They refrain from personal attacks for the most part and actually try to answer my points, with backhanded sudo science of course. They do however often say things like "You have to be a moron to not see irreducible complexity as proof God exists". Or pretentious statements like "Well you yourself say they are just theories. It sounds like you dont know what to believe. It is odd that we do not have the problem of doubt and you do. Based on that, who do you think is right." But then they go on to debating again.
I thought there was hope for them since they dont completely have their head in the sand. Which is why I continued to discuss the matter with them even though I found it frustrating. Yesterday we were in a debate that was about their proof of a creator. They keep trying to prove intelligent design as if that would prove the Bible and Jesus despite the fallacy of the Biblical creation story. I proposed that if the world was created by intelligent design and they could completely prove their theory of the earth being old but created by God and had the seed of DNA planted in the first cell by God, then they will have done what I cannot. Proven that the Bible is false. They would have proven a creator created the universe but not in the way the Bible says he did therefore it is a different God and they are either worshiping the false god of jehovah, or the false creator God that they themselves have proven are two different people. They are actually trying to disprove the Bible as much as I am and their facts they are finding for an intelligent designer at the start of the big bang are only confirming the bible is a lie.
I thought they would be like "O wow, you are right. Well we know there is a creator but it is not the God of abraham so I guess we are diest and didn't realize it." Nope, full blown anger and hatred towards me ensued. The debate went form being civil to being a debate with ignorant angry christians all over again. I guess the only difference is they knew more than most christians. So it took them longer to run out of material before they got stumped and resorted to anger.
I dont see the point anymore. They sot me out and always invited me to their debates to be "the other side of the argument" aka the person they are trying to save. I thought they were willing to reason. I guess not. Christians are hopeless.
Should I even keep trying to show them the answers or should I give up? I was once exactly like them. Super devout. I keep thinking If they knew what I do they would see, but they are blind and dont want it any other way.
Tags: angry, creationism, debate
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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on -
This might be useful. Get them to sign it first !!! Try to keep the debate about their beliefs and relligion rather than defending or explaining science.
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Permalink Reply by Fadi Qassis on -
this is very true, thanks for sharing
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Permalink Reply by Marc Poulin on -
You should add ALL of us to your FB friends, so we can help back you up.
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Permalink Reply by Rob Klaers on -
Add away.. This is my real name and I can be found under it. :)
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on -
I LIKE that plan - we'll need a URL - as some of you may have already guessed, I've got a LOT to say --!
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Permalink Reply by Jaret on -
Love it. Give me links. I couldn't find any of you. Or just add me. Everyone on this site should all connect on Facebook. My Facebook
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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Jaret - when I first signed up for FaceBook, "archaeopteryx" was already taken, so I had to settle for Archae Opteryx.
Who did your Sistine Chapel artwork? I have planned to use Buonarroti's painting for the upcoming cover of my book, but I need someone who is really, REALLY good at PhotoShop to help me out - I'm good, but not good enough, as I've tried doing what I want to do, without success. Send me a message.
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Permalink Reply by Jaret on
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I tried to start a topic that was just for posting your links to our Facebook pages but it looks like it was deleted. Is this against the rules in some way?
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Permalink Reply by Rachel on -
I added you. You'll know me by my name and I use the same photo on Facebook as I do for Think Atheist. :)
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Permalink Reply by Rob Klaers on
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You have a request from me. :)
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Permalink Reply by Geoff on -
I guess there are two schools of thought. The theist is not going to be easy to deal with. They have by definition suspended their reasoning faculties. They accept all sorts of ridiculous things blindly without questioning content or motives. In addition, they have a great deal invested in their delusion. They memorize long passages of schizophrenic babble not to mention the hours they have squandered listening to others think for them. They get reinforced by all the others in their cult. It will be a tough sell so be prepared to invest a good deal of time without much return on your investment. Again, these people have already proven they don't want to think.
But on the other hand, it is a noble pursuit and for many of us it will be great fun to see the additional fantasies they will have to invent to contend with Archaeopteryx and some of the other clever people that visit this site. So go for it.
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