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Permalink Reply by Doubting Thomas on March 14, 2011 at 8:13am

hate to appear frank but muslim are more protective of their faith, do a recon an think if the truth ever came out if you're life is in danger. my friends as christians felt obliged minimally to actually KILL ME. it's great to share but we the atheist are few and like gays very badly thought of.

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Permalink Reply by idcollapse Ra on March 14, 2011 at 3:43pm

yeah agree , islam as an ideology is doing a great job ... muslims are sure that they believe in the only right religion. They think they are happy , they are sure that non-muslims are having troubled souls and unhappy lives ... I have another friend who , unfortunately lives in another city and who is also a best friend ,who knows that I am atheist  ... he knows my story and he is cool with that ; I didn't notice any change in his behaviour towards me... he jus isn't sure wether there is a god or not and he doesn't care.

It's impossible , for me, to try to discuss religion with everyone in my country , I tried that with these friends  because they are real friends and also because the are educated .

I once tried to mention this , indirectly , to some other good friends (not open minded and not  that educated) and their reaction was not good at all .I wouldn't say killing me , but hating and avoiding me for good !

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Permalink Reply by Tor Hershman on March 14, 2011 at 9:38am

There isn't a POINT to anything or everything.

 

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Permalink Reply by Cara Coleen on March 14, 2011 at 10:02am

ha well, I think there's a point... my brother has "converted" five die-hard Christians to atheism. he's had an ongoing campaign of sorts on Facebook, and it seems to be pretty effective. it could all be about presentation, or how a person is already perceived by his/her friends. my brother has a great personality and is very likable, so he has that working in his favor.

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on March 14, 2011 at 11:51am

Yes, there is a point.  Just remember it is all about patience and presentation, especially patience.  Don't ever actually argue with them because then their pride will become involved and your task will be impossible.  Just throw in little thought barbs--the things they obviously never thought of--and walk away.  Let them think it was their own inherent intellect that came to the correct conclusion.  (Religion is driven primarily by pride.)

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Loop Johnny on March 14, 2011 at 5:46pm

Usually, the cracking sound is made at home, never in front of you. When you speak to someone with a different opinion they might consider it and in the long run that idea is the driver. 

 

My best approach so far is the friendly atheist coat. Just don't be a jerk, don't be passive, don't be militant, be friendly to the person itself but not to their ridiculous beliefs. Overall, you add patience to the mix and you can crack through a message or two.

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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on April 7, 2011 at 2:01pm

Yes, religion is the scourge of mankind.  It is a tool for repressing our natural sense of morality.  It blinds the believers for the benefit of the charlatans who manipulate them.

 

http://goodatheistarguments.blogspot.com/2010/10/religion-cannot-ev...

 

http://goodatheistarguments.blogspot.com/2010/10/religion-cannot-ev...

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Permalink Reply by Gaytor on April 7, 2011 at 3:31pm

I remember reading the Case for a Creator, also by Strobel, and wanting to go back in time, tap him on shoulder while writing and say, "You do realize that you are advocating a story and a God contrary to Genesis, right?"

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Permalink Reply by Aaron A on April 7, 2011 at 9:40am

http://www.thinkatheist.com/notes/Why_atheists_care_about_religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4fQA9mt-Mg&feature=player_embedded

This is the point. No matter how stubborn people are THIS is the reason we need to keep pushing towards changing people's minds.

We have a long way to go, but we have the ability to change the world one person at a time.

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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on April 7, 2011 at 7:57pm

I have found this to be quite good. I have adapted it since I first posted it. Instead of challenging theists, especially the Fundies directly, it is almost forcing them to challenge themselves.

http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/an-easy-way-to-challenge

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