I was just wondering. I mean I have definitely heard a lot of BAD arguments that try to prove god exists, the bible is true, etc etc.
We've all heard the many faulty arguments containing fallacies and nonsense before.
But I can't think of any argument which makes logical sense that does support the existence of god, accuracy of the bible, or the justification of a religion before.
Please bring up one, I am interested to hear a good argument from a theist standpoint.
@ Fred's original post
Have you taken a course in Critical Thinking? How about any Philosophy course at least? jeez.
I'm referring to the "Critical-Thinking"-definition of Logic.
What I accept as logical sense is an argument which does not contain any logical fallacies.
How about Psychology? Have you taken a course in Psychology? What you refer to as "not doing experiments without telling people because they will become part of the setup" can be referred to as hindsight bias.
Now that I got that out, I will refer back to your message in the post you wrote.
First of all, I do not understand what you are saying. I don't know if you've taken a course in Critical Thinking, Psychology, and now, I'm not sure if you've taken a course in English.
What do you mean by this sentence? "Paul Kurtz that most likely is very proud of being very logical him a kind of philosopher and all :)" The structure is so erroneous I can barely understand it.
It is hard to interpret that sentence. What are you trying to say??? huhhh??? Also I dont understand what you say right after that, when you are trying to describe the experiment.
Okay now I will try to interpret what you said. What I understood was there's an experiment that proves only 10% of people are not needy enough to give up religion.
---Well what I will ask you now is where did you get this info? Could you provide a link to the experiment? I just want to know because you didn't do a good job explaining it to me.
And not every human experiment has to be 'unethical'. I don't know all the details of what this guy wrote, so please link me to his book/article/research/experiment. I mean like where did he come up with this statistic of "10%" without testing it already.......
I'm just so confused by your post......
Next, I really don't get your religious body/ atheist logic reference...... I mean I read your explanation below but it really just.... doesn't make sense..... sorry.
And Lastly, I would just like to apologize if this whole post of mine sounds mean, disrespectful, or just plain rude..... It's just when I read your post honestly in my mind I was just shaking my head....I was just thinking in my head, "HUH??". Honestly. sorry......
I am very glad you made this response, it clears much to me. I was just so confused by the last post you made. Again, I sincerely apologize for being rude by trying to insult your intelligence. I guess you could say I was grouchy after having so many arguments with religious people lately. It just makes me angry when I talk to so many stubborn people.
With that being said, now that I understand what you've said, I'm just not going to write my reply to your post because I'm too tired to write a response haha.
No. There are only a limited number of arguments. They keep getting re-packaged and recycled but they all boil down to circular reasoning, arguments from authority (including popularity), usefulness (which is just an admission that religion is false), lies, and threats.
My best guess is that she saw herself being pushed by a lot of people to tell what her arguments for still believing there is a god are and started typing them and realized how awful those arguments really are and avoided posting anymore so she wouldn't have to answer our questions. :)
Unless Angie herself posts her arguments, I am not going to comment on any presumed arguments.
Sometimes God is an individual interpretation that fill a psychological need and then that person may stay away from established religious traditions and them create their own theology...
This applies to a lot of theists, that have their own reasons which are mostly formed by their need of knowing that there is something for them after they die, after all, death is the number two fear, after public speaking. This means to the average person, if you go to a funeral, you're better off in the casket than doing the eulogy. (Seinfeld) :)
yea seriously why believe in something if you cant even provide AN argument. ANY argument.
Love that Seinfeld quote btw haha.
I'm kinda disappointed by this post because I was expecting some sort of valid argument supporting religion. I mean seriously I've watched many videos of debates between an atheist and theist and the theist ends up getting humiliated in the end and looks like an idiot simply because their argument made no sense logically. I was hoping someone would find something opposite of that and post it here....But I guess it doesn't go both ways.
I posted the same topic on my facebook and expected some feedback from my friends (many of which are religious). Whenever they replied with some mumbo jumbo bullspit (i.e. the earth is the perfect distance from the sun, noahs ark existed, or saying the bible can be taken literally) I would provide an argument which disproved their beliefs.
It's funny because after I provide a valid argument that totally disproves them and makes complete sense logically they just stop replying to me, as if they 'let me win' pretty much. I feel bad offending my friends this way but seriously I don't take 'faith' as an argument. It's either you believe in 'faith' or you believe in science and facts. Stop trying to mix these up. I dont mind people having their opinions and beliefs as long as they don't try to justify them with lies or bad arguments.