I've said elsewhere that this was probably the last election where the Republicans stood a real chance of gaining the American Presidency with a program that mainly appeals to prosperous suburban whites and holds little appeal to most women and almost no appeal at all to racial minorities. 

If the GOP is to survive, what do you think it would have to look like? What could it possibly look like?

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I'll bite.

Don't you think it is a bit sad in the 21st Century to be dividing your people into such politically different groupings based on ethnicity?  We would have collective apoplexy in the UK if statisticians decided to demographically anticipate voting percentages by skin colour or ethnic origin in this way. 

When you (you the USA, not you the person) advertise that 'blacks', 'hispanics' and 'white' voters all have very different voting trends, you are supporting the divide and deepening it. 

Age demographics are different.  Everyone has been young at some stage and expects to get old, so that is not a divisive barrier. 

The problem the US appears to face is its own internal ethnic divisions.  In a modern, first world country, the hope and aim is for the government to represent the people.  ALL the people, not the biggest ethnic group or two.  You can measure success here, by the absence of opposing voting trends in ethnic groups.

Imagine a country where the ethnic group voting demographics no longer have any real significance.  You might call it Utopia, but I can tell you the UK and most of Europe do not have such significant ethnic divides, and are moving closer and closer to the irrelevance of ethnicity both in their governments and in their voting trends. 

If there are such significantly different trends in the US voting bias, perhaps a good government at both state and federal level ought to be looking at why, and trying to be more inclusive at all levels, so that the entire country stands a chance of internal unity rather than internal enmity.

The real question is not "which ethnic grouping should we try to attract to our party line?", but rather, "how do we make our party equally represent all the ethnic groupings?"

The target has to be unity.  At the moment, I am reading political articles that say that the white American is soon going to become a minority.  This must sound to the less educated white person, that their country is being taken over by "Others".  It sounds scary.

But it is not scary.  It is just a demographic fact. The world's boundaries are blurring and I see you are about to be getting a 51st State.  Embrace it, for there is no progress without change.  Start changing mindsets.  Try to help the younger Americans see that it doesn't matter what ethnicity they are, just that they are all members of the same group.  Americans.

Imagine a country where the ethnic group voting demographics no longer have any real significance.  You might call it Utopia, but I can tell you the UK and most of Europe do not have such significant ethnic divides, and are moving closer and closer to the irrelevance of ethnicity both in their governments and in their voting trends.

Don't make me laugh. I was posting on a UK photography board that had an off-topic area where non-photography issues were permitted. Around the time of the 2008 election won by Barack Obama, the UK members were dumbfounded. They had come to believe that the US was still such a racist country that Obama didn't stand a ghost of a chance. Once he was elected, one of the UK members said, "Just when you think you understand the US, they prove that they can reinvent themselves."

I asked, how close the UK was to having a person of African, Pakistani, or Indian ethnicity as Prime Minister, and no one wanted to say that the UK was on the verge. The same can be said for Germany, France, Spain, Italy and all of the largest so-called democracies in Europe. 

You're just proving you don't "get" the United States, as most of the world doesn't. We're more past racism than Europe is.

If that's what helps you to sleep at night, believe it.  No I don't get your version of the United States, but apparently I get quite a few others versions.

Shame you don't get the UK's.  The voters do not vote for the PM, they vote for their Member of Parliament.  The parties themselves choose their leader.  People rise within their party's esteem, and become their party leader by party consent.  I doubt anyone really cares, fundamentally, as to the creed or colour of these leaders.  If there is a good candidate, he or she will emerge. 

Yes we believed America was more racist than it apparently is, and we were over the moon about Obama being elected.  But we liked Obama's policies, not his chocolate colouration.  We just didn't think the US could get past that.  How happy we were when you showed that you could.

When do you anticipate having a woman President?

RE: "When do you anticipate having a woman President?"

Actually, in 2008, believing that after 8 W-years, ANY Democrat who snagged the nomination would win. I truly believed Hillary would be it, and was surprised and disappointed when Obama blew her out of the water - certainly not because of his skin color, I've been active in civil rights for years, but just because I found cause to have faith in Hillary.

But (IMO) he has turned out to be an intelligent, gracious, competent President that I believe will go on to do some remarkable things over the next four years.

I agree that ObamaCare is an issue, but I believe the biggest problem to be - and this is ENTIRELY Obama's fault - he didn't sit down, on TV, with the American Public, and in a "Fireside Chat," give even the more dense of us a clear picture of exactly what ObamaCare was all about. This failure, left his program wide open for the opposition to say whatever they liked with little concern for refutation, as the average American had no way of knowing what was true and what wasn't.

"We're more past racism than Europe is."

That's bull. You've had a sizable black minority for 200 years, we've had a sizable muslim/MENA minority for 30 years. 

It took you so long to get one?

Who are the highest-placed muslim/MENAs in your government?

Even here in the supposedly racist Southeastern US, the governor of Louisiana is Bobby Jindal, an ethnic East Indian! He didn't get there on the ethnic Indian vote.

I might add that there are many many many black politicians across the US. Mayors, congressmen, and even our President.

Boy, this is fun!

First of all, we don't elect PMs here, we vote for parties which propose candidates (which may becumulated.) My favorite minority candidate at the moment is Abid Raja, but he is a representative of my second choice party.

Of the most prominent minority candidates you will find recently appointed Minister of Culture, Hadia Tajik, which is the first muslim minister. Akhtar Chaudry is one of the parliamentary vice presidents ("speaker"). 

We've tried a few other multiculti politicians which have clearly been promoted too early, minister Manuela Ramin-Osmundsen being forced out due to cronyism and MP Saera Khan spending thousands of dollars calling psychics on her government issued phone and lying about it.  

We've tried a few other multiculti politicians which have clearly been promoted too early.

You probably can't understand this, but in the US that would be thought of by many as a racist statement, given the context. It seems to imply that there aren't very many qualified nonwhite candidates, which begs the question: if things are so hunky-dory racially in Norway, why so few?

I think their track records speak for themselves, whether or not they'd be of color or female or handicapped or whichever minority group de jour is promoted, they royally fucked up the positions which they were granted. That's a far cry from saying that every member of a minority is unfit, it's merely evidence that we are so eager to promote minorities that due diligence seems to be disregarded in some cases. It should be noted that by law, 40% of board members of listed corporations need to be female.  

Whenever a suitable candidate for power rises from the minorities, he or she will hopefully be elected upon their promotion of policies, not their minority membership. To that end, my party is now fielding a female candidate for PM which holds an overwhelming favorite choice going into our elections in a year. Before that my party fielded a gay minister of finance. 

We've gotten a fairly long way here towards neutering nationalism and silencing discrimination to death, at least compared to where we started off (my grandfather's racism was quite expressed.) In many regards, much further than the US; who the candidate is just seems to matter less as opposed to what the candidate/party stands for.

We're more past racism than Europe is.

You're having a laugh!  Please provide the citation on which you base this belief. 

I cite my post. How close do you think the UK is to having an ethnic Pakistani as PM?



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