Only nature can "decide" when the earth is overpopulated so I think this question is just pointless speculation that can be fun but making moral judgements about who should be allowed to reproduce or not based on speculation and not facts is not the best way to go about thinking about these problems.
It might sound like I'm saying the answer/solution is out of my (our) control and that is correct, it is out of our puny little human's hands.
I have never been a fan of this style of question. It has always felt very misanthropic and elitist "superior scientific understanding" sounding to me. It almost seems to have a eugenic/racist notion in it's subcontext. (too many brown people etc.) No one knows the future so we do the best we can with the current situations we face and try to make better plans if we can.
Those are my sentiments on this subject. No desire to offend anyone. The world will make it quite clear when it has reached it's limits. So I won't worry about it until that happens. Make your own economy if your local one has failed.
You can create/invent your own job for yourself. The "world" is not just going to give out jobs to anyone. You are externalizing (blaming outside forces) for your internal or local problems. Sorry for the psychological analysis. I'm a "little" too over analytical and critical at times. hahaha
Please forgive my occasionally verbose and overly judgmental as well as perhaps hypocritical ways. Take care. :)
Nate- Have you never seen how nature "decides" to act towards a species that has entered overpopulation? The results are never pretty and , if left unchecked ,ours will be exquisitely spectacular. As we are not like those stupid animals, who could at best only destroy the environment of a continent or two.No , we are intelligent after all and so have decided to mess up the environment over the whole bloody planet at once.
The problem with waiting until nature makes it quite clear that it has reached it's limits is that by that point the consequences are invariably disastrous Now i know you will consider this elitist and misanthropic but there is a clear answer to stop those people breeding like rabbits, and that is to make sure they get a roof over their heads. food, an education , work and most importantly a social structure that will take care of them to some degree in their old age . It turns out that people of any race tend to breed like rabbits if they live in a shit country where the only security net they have when they are old or injured is their family.
Now i know you consider giving them a somewhat better life to "have a eugenic/racist notion in it's subcontext." but nevertheless i am still in favour of it. As not only does it stop them breeding like rabbits, it also stops them taking religion so seriously. A win win in my view.
You and I are nature so we are the ones that will partly decide our fates but my main point is that most of it is beyond our individual control. I'm glad that memes and education work to improve lives. The ideas of having less children and being smarter about how we treat the environment means we can have greater prosperity while we are alive have spread to nearly everywhere. I'm glad about that.
It just seems negative to bash on humanity as if we are evil and horrible since we have been reproducing "too much." Since it is and was programmed into our DNA by nature and evolutionary pressures, why call it "bad or inefficient or poor planning etc.?"
Yes, those "problems" can be and are very ugly sometimes but like the song says, I like to look on the bright side of life. To just focus on how horrible some aspects of nature continue to be seems to just smack of self-pity and whining that really is just counterproductive in achieving any real progress on any of these issues.
I agree that we are an intelligent species and as such we can and will figure out how to survive as long as nature allows us to exist. None of it is really up to us in the long run and our egotistical desires to rule and control the whole planet, each other, et al.
We are at the mercy of the laws of nature whether we like them or not. I choose to like them most of the time and just live as smartly as a dopey human like myself can live with others in the here and now.
Please remember that you don't have to carry the whole weight of the world on your shoulders all by yourself. You are not responsible to save all of humanity or the world etc. Do YOUR best in YOUR environment and things will work out well enough. :)
Thanks Strega for the good video that shows why we don't need to be so overly anxious or scared about this particular issue in the future. We have plenty of other problems we can pointlessly worry about. hahaha jk :P I hope everyone will be your own dragon and enjoy life.
What I meant by racist is that it seems like people see the areas of the world that are mostly not white people as being the "overpopulated" places. As though white people should be able to control and say how big families should be in areas that are mostly not white. This is the kind of racism that this whole "overpopulation" argument tends be code words for. I'm all for responsible management of the environment and economies that are fair and good for as many people as possible.
I find your judgements of me rather presumptuous and rude that somehow I would want people to suffer and be poor. Where did I ever say or imply that? Please stop creating straw-men arguments that have nothing to do with the original question or argument. Thanks.
Absolutely - the planet simply cannot sustain our continued growth, any more than my garden can withstand a grasshopper invasion. Regrettably, business requires an increasing population, in order to expand markets. Possibly a change in priorities is in order.
This is Hans Rosling, on the subject of global population growth, at a TED conference. For those with limited bandwidth, it's about ten minutes long.
And well worth the watch - the guy is intelligent, funny, and makes an excellent point.
That has been an interesting 10 minutes
Great Video and excellent presentation.
Absolutely fantastic video, very well argued I would say.
See, the thing of it is, is, that in order to make more money, home builders, and sellers of all sorts of products, DEPEND on the population growing, but our environment simply won't support that. I wouldn't like to see government intervene, as in China, with its "one child" policy, but we HAVE to curtail our population growth, despite what that might do to the economy, because if we lose the ability to feed ourselves, what good will a robust economy do?
Breeding restrictions in china seem to answer that question, considering Asians have the largest landmass, and they are the dominant variation of humans on the planet.