Is the neutral verdict on the existence of God being maintain by God?
Truth is, if there was solid evidence for the existence of God, it then would be a point of fact with no room for faith.
Therefore is it possible that the continued neutrality is being sustain by God for our benefit?
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Permalink Reply by Akshay Bist on -
Man don't you theists ever get tired of such twisted mental gymnastics?
There is no proof because god made it so. LOL.
Even if it were so, how would it be for our benefit? Throughout the bible your god doesn't seem to be shy about interacting with certain humans, so why all the secrecy? Seems ridiculous.
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Permalink Reply by Michael on -
Yes serecy for our benefit sound outlandish. Just raising the premise to kick around,
Since, if he were a point of fact, faith would not exist and salvation would be void. Since "we are justified by faith".
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Permalink Reply by Rocky john on -
what about all those people in the bible who god spoke directly to, like moses for one? are you telling me that according to your doctrine they all went to hell since they no longer needed faith to believe god existed ?
the only way what you are saying could make any sense at all would be for a strictly deistic god
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on -
Personally, I suspect the bush was burning because Moses had part of it rolled up in a ZigZag --
pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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I am referring to the new covenant only.
But even with the old covenant these individuals acted with faith.
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Permalink Reply by Akshay Bist on
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Sounds a lot like something from an Orwellian world.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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@Michael - yeah, I'll play for just a little bit, but don't get used to it --
Who said, "we are justified by faith"? Your god? Is he that immature, that he has to play childish games? If so, what is there about him we should worship?
I have some tropical fish. I don't hide from them and make them guess who feeds them at night when it's dark and they can't see well. That would be absurd.
"But you didn't create them," you may well say. No, but they don't know that.
For all I know, everytime they see me coming and swarm to the side of the tank, they're saying in barely audible fish language (muffled by the water), "Gather around guys, here comes God! Yay!!"
The god in which I could believe, would not only have created the Universe, but would find time to pop down and have a cold one with me some Friday evening after work.
When that happens, I'll be the first to let you know.
pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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No problem. many people have no interest. But for those who like to kick it around, just putting food for thought on the table.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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I don't think anyone here is that hungry - I believe it was e. e. cummings who wrote, "There is some shit I will not eat!"
pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com
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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on -
Michael,
Your premise is correct, but your conclusion is wrong. It is true that god, if he exists, could indeed be using his powers to hide his existence much like the wizards in the Harry Potter books. The conclusion to be drawn from that, however, is that this is one more reason to consider the god hypothesis unfalsifiable. When a hypothesis is unfalsifiable, the burden of proof can never fall on the doubters because the negative cannot be proven--ever. In such cases, the burden of proof falls on those who say the positive hypothesis is true. If they can't produce even a smidgen of proof (as is the case with god), then the negative has been proven as much as it ever can be proven. The correct logical assumption in such cases is to conclude that the hypothesized thing does not exist.
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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Can't argue with that, thus those who believe are greater fools, at least by using our logic. Yet this is the prophecy.
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Permalink Reply by Artor on -
You say, "Yet this is the prophecy," like the statement means something, but it doesn't. You are clearly a believer yourself, so did you just label yourself a fool? I'd have to agree. And you also use the term, "Our logic." I don't think your logic is the same as that used by most of the other posters here.
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