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Permalink Reply by Michael on March 24, 2012 at 1:17am

Everything about this is completely preposterous. This why it is written "we understand that by faith he ... etc. etc.)  Yet when confronted with so much illogical claims one still tip toes through field of mouse traps of snap judgment as it could be a trap with our eternal well being on the line, that's if we even care at all. And many don't give a hoot.  But I appreciate a good Novel, and if this all is true, it is only something that eternal purpose could crankout. In the scientific world we can crank out global weather patterns days into the future. We can simulate the big bang and form a universe virtually similar to the one we live in. Thus it is not a far stretch to humor the notion of something doing these  things on an universal level using a vast mainframe beyond reckoning, that is their mind. . 

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 24, 2012 at 1:37am

Have you considered a class in English as a Second Language?

pax vobiscum,
archaeopteryx
www.in-His-own-image.com

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Permalink Reply by Zac Kimmer on March 23, 2012 at 5:43pm

I have always seen faith as more believing in a specific religion. Faith is believing in Jesus' or Muhammad's religion but believing in the most general form God e.g. heavenly being, creator doesn't really count as the faith you are talking about. You have to believe in Jesus's god not just a god. If god was proved to exist religions would still exist and argue over who's god it is.

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Permalink Reply by Pope OoO (Out of Order) on March 23, 2012 at 6:13pm

Truth is, if there was solid evidence for the existence of God, it then would be a point of fact with no room for faith.

Therefore is it possible that the continued neutrality is being sustain by God for our benefit?

Truth is, if there was solid evidence for the existence of God The Great Pink Unicorn (peace and blessings be upon Her), it then would be a point of fact with no room for faith.

Therefore is it possible that the continued neutrality is being sustain by God The Great Pink Unicorn (peace and blessings be upon Her) for our benefit?

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on March 24, 2012 at 5:20am

Thank you so much, Pope Paul - Unicorns come in many lovely colours,  my Unicorn, peace and blessing be upon Her, is White, the colour of Coitus - a much sort after virtue, by people in Australia :D

She now is under the Cloak of Invisibility, and comes out for me, and people who truly believe, but as you can see, my White Unicorn, peace and blessing be upon Her, I did take a photo of her, with a little help from on high, also known as Photoshop. So Michael must believe in my White Unicorn, as I have undeniable proof. And if one listens very very, carefully, one can hear her lovely clop, clop, clop, the swishing of her tail, her gentle neighing, but one must be careful not to be speared by the magic horn :D

http://www.theonion.com/articles/evolutionists-flock-to-darwinshape...

This is also undeniable truth and proof.

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on March 24, 2012 at 5:47am

Neutrality is being sustain by God for our benefit? - Nah, there is no god to be neutral or anything else. the god franchise is being held up by the myriad of con men, charletans, evangelicals, to bamboozle the cannon fodder who sustain their lifestyle. All the gullible, innocent people filling these blokes coffers. THAT is what sustains religion, especially xian religion, muslims are about power, but everybody in the lower ranks are still cannon fodder.

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Permalink Reply by Diane on March 24, 2012 at 6:34am

How is faith supposed to benefit us more than direct interaction with an actual deity?  If a deity were to prove his or her existence to me, if incontrovertible proof became manifest, I would simply believe.  I might not obey, worship, fear, etc., but it would make sense to believe in a deity whose existence has been proved.  

The irony here is that some theists seem to think atheists and agnostics somehow have control over whether or not we believe in any particular deity.  I don't have faith in a deity and, as far as I am concerned, the "seeking" and "learning" I have been told time and time again by theists to do amounts to nothing more than brainwashing.  

So, I could go to a church, talk to other church members frequently or even exclusively, read the Bible with "guidance" from a more-learned theist, stop reading anything with scientific evidence to the contrary,  and pray for faith.  I could as a result come up with some kind of belief, eventually, that that particular deity exists.  

In short, I cannot choose to have faith - I can only choose to allow myself to be brainwashed or not.  I'll stick with not being brainwashed.  The irony of it is that I've been told I was brainwashed by my parents with my atheist upbringing.  

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Permalink Reply by Pope OoO (Out of Order) on March 24, 2012 at 3:34pm

The evidence that faith is a product of brainwashing is everywhere. People almost always inherit faith in whatever their local population already has faith in. Brainwashing is viral and pandemic, except for those who consciously enhance their own immunity to it.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on March 24, 2012 at 9:14pm

@P Paul - proof of that can readily be seen in all Islamic nations and among America's Religious Right.

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on March 24, 2012 at 10:35pm

@ Michael - You have been born in an Islamic country - your dearly beloved mother will have to choose a name - which one will she choose for you do you think - 

Mistah - Instrument to level something.

Moemen - Believer and faithful to Allah   

Muballigh - Preacher, one who preaches and propagates Islam.

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Permalink Reply by Judith van der Roos on March 24, 2012 at 7:05am

Neutrality ??? I doubt god is doing anything for "our benefit", where is the evidence that anything he has done (I am assuming he exists here of course) has been of benefit to us ? If there was solid evidence for the existence of god then surely he could be served with a warrant for his arrest on charges of genocide, murder, incitement to religious hatred, willful destruction of property etc etc etc.

I think his silence has a lot more to do with foot shuffuling embarrassment about his past actions than anything else.

Regards,

Judith vd R.

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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on March 24, 2012 at 1:46pm

“Thus it is not a far stretch to humor the notion of something doing these things on an universal level using a vast mainframe beyond reckoning, that is their mind.”

It is quite a stretch Michael. The possibility of some form of Deity is easier to imagine. I just don’t make the claim that I personally know which particular god it could be. It is a notion because there is zero evidence for it.

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