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Permalink Reply by Doug Reardon on September 26, 2012 at 10:25pm

God is so powerful that he created a universe that didn't have a god.

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on September 26, 2012 at 10:38pm

One of His many powers, along with creating an object so heavy that not even He can lift it.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 26, 2012 at 10:58pm

So you're saying you've put on a little weight?

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Permalink Reply by Unseen on September 26, 2012 at 10:42pm

Michael, why should there be a need for faith? Why the games? Why doesn't God just say, "I'm your God. Here's your proof. Now just be good little slaves and bow down before my majesty or I won't let you live forever in my magical amusement park after you die"?

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 26, 2012 at 11:08pm

Theists put such a premium on faith, which, as I see it, is only a vehicle to force belief in things too incredible to believe. But clearly, by every verse of scripture I've read, this Judeo/Christian/Islamic god craves adoration, which would be far more freely given if he/she/it would make him-/her-/itself clearly obvious to everyone, so the question is, which is more important to him/her/it, faith or adoration?

If faith, there's no reason to bitch about fewer adorers. If adoration, just show yourself and eliminate the need for faith.

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Permalink Reply by Michael on September 27, 2012 at 1:01am

If you could loosen the bands of the seven sisters or draw leviathan with a hook. He would be the first to congratulate  you, call you his equal and receive your counsel.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 27, 2012 at 2:57am

The "Seven Sisters," Mikey, is formed by seven hot new stars, and are not banded in any way, in fact, they're thousands of light years apart. Now it could well be that some nomad, running around in the desert, having no idea what stars really were, or anything about them really, may have decided they were somehow banded, but see, that's the problem with making up a bunch of crap like that, writing it in a book, and claiming that some god said it - you really gotta get it right, 'cause if you don't, then somebody like me is going to say something like, "What kind of god is this, that thinks these 7 stars, thousands of light years apart, with temperatures of thousands of degrees, have a 'band' around them?!! What an idiot!"

As for Leviathan, you show him to me, and I'll hook him! Fair enough? You go stand on a beach somewhere - anywhere you think he is - and as soon as you spot him, you give me a holler, and I'll come a'runnin' with my cane pole and the biggest ol' fishin' hook you ever did see, OK? I mean, we'll fillet that sucker and have the biggest ol' barbeque, whoooeee! - we'll invite the whole TA clan and just have us a whale of a time!

I probably should ask, he's not on the endangered species list by any chance, is he?

Now you stand right there til you see him, hear? Don't you move --

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Permalink Reply by SteveInCO on September 27, 2012 at 7:54am

Um... the Pleiades are 116 light years away and the core cluster is 8 light years in radius.  So they aren't thousands of light years apart.

But the cluster is still ridiculously big to be "banded together" and the cluster is an open cluster, which as I understand it, means that it is not even figuratively "banded together" by gravity.  (So let's not use the dodge that it's just a metaphor.)

Clearly those nomads writing scripture thought the Pleiades were only a few miles away on a hemispherical "firmament."

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 27, 2012 at 10:39am

Hey, it was 2 in the freakin' AM and I was responding to a blithering idiot - do you really think I'm going to look up the distance between the Pleides, or just wing it, like he'd know the difference?

And you're still welcome to the fish fry, should be any day now --

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Permalink Reply by Michael on September 27, 2012 at 9:10pm

No the idiot may be the one that rattles incorrect scientific facts off the top of his, with malice aforethought and in full view of everyone.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on September 27, 2012 at 11:25pm

Why aren't you standing on a beach, keeping an eye out for Leviathan? If you miss him, there goes the fish fry --

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Permalink Reply by Michael on October 3, 2012 at 12:51pm

Leviathan, the great dragon lets the Beast rule in his presences. "Who is like the Beast and who can make war with it" The old serpent has been cast out...upon the earth having great wrath"..make war with them upon the earth...thoses that keep the commandents of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

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