Oh, wow. So what if we ALL had a bowl of oatmeal, and then we ALL bought a lottery ticket - we ALL could really have a winfall :D
Thanks Karen for letting us all know how it is done.
If you can make it happen consistently, then you've probably got a causal relationship. But anecdotal evidence does not meet scientific scrutiny. There are also times that people pray or practice some other kind woo woo instead of going to a doctor, and they get sicker or die. But unfortunately those stories don't get written as much, out of respect.
How about all the millions of god-fearing people who pray and then die from some kind of natural disaster? Is that somehow not because of God?
Well, if you're talking about Katrina, everybody knows that that happened because New Orleans allowed a Gay Pride Parade! Pat Robertson said so!
In this instance, Gay Pride = punishment; prayer = rescue - ergo, Gay trumps prayer! The prayerful were simply collateral damage, and since they went out with a hymn in their heart and a prayer on their lips, they'll get their reward in heaven. That thought probably didn't make the water go down any easier, but hey, if you're gonna make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs.
As for consistent happenings, you don't suppose they were holding Gay Pride Parades in Sodom or Gomorrah that week, do you?
Haha, yes, and I've imagined similar sins in the mid-west punished by tornadoes, etc.
Another Tyson (I think?) quote I heard was about why the incredible scientific progress made in Baghdad about a thousand years ago didn't last. Apparently, that's when culturally, "revelation replaced investigation", or something like that.
Did you know Jarod, that there are many people on this site who once believed in god and jesus and the bible. And while they were in that state of mind, they prayed, maybe for their sister not to die, or their brother, or their child. They prayed as hard as they could, and they hoped and believed that god or jesus would intervene, 'cause they believed so much. But it just didn't happen - why in Jim's case, but not the hundred's of thousands who pray for someone to get better, and they die anyway.
But I am pleased for you, that Jim got better. So if you and all the other christians who pray, could you turn your mind to the thousands of babies born, through no fault of their own, into a war or starvation, and are dying. Do you think you could possibly get your god to do some real good, and stop pedophiles from sexually abusing thousands of children. Do you think you could pray hard and long enough to see if god could make the time to do these small things, after all, he is omnipotent, and it shouldn't take too much of his precious time, and would make thousands of mothers happy that their beloved child was actually going to live a happy and fruitful life.
Could you and your friends turn your minds to doing something amazing for other people.
Maybe even just one of them has a direct link to god, worth a try, wouldn't you say.
I am so for, extreme and dramatic with bated breath - if you ask him really nicely, I am sure god would like to save thousands if not millions of 'his flock'.
just email, and said proof will go all over the world.
So the best thing god can do is to give a man cancer and then take it away?...Why not give the man a revelation about unique specific knowledge. I dont know. For example: Give the man the equations that would unite relativity and quantum mechanics. Or how about giving the man equations that would describe what happens inside a black hole, and the procedure on how to test it experimentally. Those are dramatic, extreme, and the type of knowledge that is not easy to make up.
@Eric - RE: "give a man cancer and then take it away" - instead of that, why not give the man the CURE for cancer --?
Jerod, assuming your stories are true, and I have no way of knowing that they are, in highly emotional situations, it is Human to attribute supernatural causes to natural, random events.
Why do you think that is?
It makes one feel special and that life is more mysterious and exciting than it actually is.
Most kids grow up believing in supernatural powers, like the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, and of course a whole lot of fictional beings and superheros on Saturday mornings. It used to be other gods that people believed in, even as adults. There were sun gods and moon gods before we learned about planets and moons, and there were gods in the sky that did all kinds of incredible things.
Before science, people had no other way to explain how things happened, other than by imagining supernatural powers. And we're not even talking yet about leaders who pushed and used people's beliefs in supernatural powers to rule over them.
I hear people say constantly "everything happens for a reason", as if it's supposed to profoundly explain something that is otherwise unexplainable. It's been like this for thousands of years, until science alone started to unravel the secrets of the universe and life. Science now achieves things that people of the past would have thought was pure magic or divinity, yet most people today just take it for granted, and don't even feel the need to understand any of it.
It's a whole lot easier to assume Goddidit than it is to actually learn about the vast complexities of the universe and life.
Papi - Neil DeGrasse Tyson said, "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance, that gets smaller and smaller as time goes on."
Words to live by --