I know what led me here, and I also know that my original premise was faulty. I came here (atheism) straight out of Christianity. I hadn't, at that point, read any other religious texts. I just went on hearsay (mostly from my friends/family that were Christians) that all the other religions were false. When I figured out theirs was as well, it was pretty much right to atheism. Now, I'm backtracking and studying as many other religions as I possibly can. I know I'm right, as an atheist, but it just got me wondering:

How many of you out there are still studying other religions?

I do it constantly, both to become more well-rounded (not EVERYTHING in all those religious books is bullshit, just most of it), and to know how to debate against any type of theist I come across. I know a lot, if not most of you, have read the bible... But who here, like me, has read or is reading the Koran, the Vedas, I Ching, the Dhammapada, etc.? I talk to a lot of atheists who can virtually destroy one of the aforementioned religions, but they seem content with what they've learned. When I make an attempt to teach them more, I get something along the lines of "Who cares? Religion is all crap anyways!" I don't get it. Isn't that the same close-mindedness that we fight to discourage? Is atheism becoming a trend, which is sprouting mindless followers (thinking S.E. Cupp, if she actually IS an atheist) of it's own?

Maybe I'm fucking crazy (no comments on this line, please), maybe I've just got too much time on my hands, but it sometimes seems like I'm alone in my quest to learn as much as I can about my passion.

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Much of our culture and past is rooted in religion. The study of religions is a valid, and, to be honest, wholly remarkable field. The important part is to view this field of study as a form of archeology. It's useful to understand who we are and where we came from, but if you try to live your life by these ancient ways, then you'll be that weird backwards guy who does everything the old fashioned and difficult way that messes everything up for the rest of us.

When I was falling away from Christianity and believing in god, I initially thought to myself, "What do I replace this with? I need to find out what belief system/religion fits me best."

And then I realized I don't NEED any religion. We humans don't need to believe in anything.

Our baseline is the observable, testable world and universe around us. Nothing more. There is NO reason to think there is a supernatural realm just as much as there is no reason for us to believe that intelligent purple creatures made of titanium live on a planet 22 light years away. If, while living life and observing what is around us, we find evidence that leads to the possibility of something supernatural, then I'm all for further testing and examination of that.

Until then, just be and live the best you can and do the best you can for the most people possible until the time comes that your consciousness disappears and the organic matter in your body stops functioning.

Every group has lots of mediocre members who simply blend into the whole, and a few bright stars like yourself that shine. No member is useless, or a waste of space/time/resources, but a few are worth the extra effort to raise up higher. I love to learn, but I try to vary my field as much as possible, from science to ancient crafts, to religion, to fiction, to odd skills, even occasionally to languages, but I never get far in many. I get too bored with it. But I very much admire those who can take a more limited range of learning and thought and progress it much farther. Yes, Atheism is becoming trendy, but that's a good thing. It means it's spreading, and it means more of those special people will take it and make it soar.

I'm studying the religions because I want to deconstruct them back to their essence and then rebuild that essence in atheist terms.  It turns out that the essence is morality.  This job is now done.  Along with the essence are a lot of other trappings, such as: culture, social gathering, a charismatic founder (oh dear), an organization, and, erm, followers.  The essence is so abstract that it seems meaningless to most non-religious people, and although it's the highest and most beautiful mystery of mysteries, it's hard to get worked up over a biological principle and a "sacred diagram".  Interestingly, all the currently-religious people I've explained it to recognize it straight away. 

Totally understand where you're coming from. Since admitting to myself I'm an atheist, strangely enough I've been obsessed with religion. 

I guess I feel obliged to understand exactly what it is I'm rejecting, to see if I'm missing anything.  

Although in my experience most religious people aren't extremely concerned with the veracity of their beliefs, almost all define themselves by them. I find this fascinating- you can understand a facet of a person just by reading about their religion.

A lot of churches are thrilled to have people ask about their theology. ASK, not debate (different thing for a different time). Subtle, simple questions are powerful, too, in leading a person to reevaluate their beliefs.

I've learned a lot from speaking with my Christian friend.  She was the one who inspired me to check out religion in the first place, because of her admirable moral qualities.  When she says that praying to Jesus made her flu get better, I can easily relate to this in terms of the atheist religion I've worked out, and appreciate where she's coming from.  She's supplied me with some quotes from the Bible and saved me the trouble of hunting for them.  The Bible is so damn long.  The Dhammapada on the other hand is short and nicely organized. 

Hi Simon,

You're a great mind so I hesitate to point out a caveat here. The caveat is that we do in fact know that the human brain has a much more powerful effect on all sorts of maladies and physical conditions than we believed even just a few years ago. In other words, by simply framing a false reality for someone we can make them healthier. It is amazing. But it's purely biology. And good to "see" you again, old friend,

- kk

Yes Kir, good to have you around again.  When you say "it's purely biology", as atheists we would say that ultimately it is a biological process.  But how do you access and activate that biological process?  This is a difficult task.  Praying to Jesus would appear to be a magically effective shortcut that the possession of rational scientific knowledge is unable to achieve. 

Hi Simon,

This is a very good point and I get where you're going with this. As a technique and a philosophy of life it has practical implications, so one could reasonably argue "who cares" what the actual mechanism is if the end goal is the same and, as you note, successful where other methods are not.

- kk

""who cares" what the actual mechanism is" - actually, this is a very important point.  This is very interesting and just what we need to know about.  We need to observe what is happening in the field; in nature. 


Well, I like your approach of trying to understand what the most efficient and effective path is based on observations of nature and culture. I think my own bias here has more to do with whether it is controlled experiment or observational experiment. And this is what makes your approach interesting to me. It may be far more pragmatic as we lack the controls necessary to fully understand it otherwise.

- kk

kk - right now we have nothing that is anywhere near as effective as praying to Jesus.  It would be good if we could put something in place to do that job.  What it might look like, I've got no idea. 



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