SEOUL, March 30 (Reuters) - North Korea said on Saturday it was entering a "state of war" with South Korea in a continuing escalation of tough rhetoric against Seoul and Washington after coming under international sanctions for its nuclear test.
"From this time on, the North-South relations will be entering the state of war and all issues raised between the North and the South will be handled accordingly," a statement carried by the North's official KCNA news agency said. (source)
Experts on CNN were saying that what's happening is really spurred by the North Korean military not the young Kim Jong Un. They also say it's mostly for internal consumption, trying to make the new leader look strong and forceful to a society that still reveres age. Internally, he has been demoting and firing top military officers. It may be that, through him, the most hard of the hard liners in the military are consolidating their power.
The military experts on CNN said that they doubted North Korea would follow up on any of its threats against the U.S. or South Korea. In fact, they'd be crazy. Why? Because they'd lose, despite having the fourth largest army in the world. And they could hardly expect much help from China. North Korea is pretty much a drag on the Chinese economy, with North Korea needing to suck at their teat due to the fact that its economy is a total shambles.
And why would China want to see the U.S. defeated, what with the steady flow of cash from here to there due to all the American debt China owns. The U.S. is their golden goose right now.
China is so pissed off and North Korea that for the first time ever they have joined in with international sanctions against North Korea.
All that said, North Korea is making strides in terms of ballistic missile development, so they will be more of a worry in the future.
Those are my thoughts. What are yours?
No war has winners, only survivors.
A war with North Korea would make Afghanistan look like a water fight. NK has a huge professional army of soldiers who believe their leader is a god.
On the other hand, Pyongyang could be eliminated as a factor in a few hours of stealth bomber attacks. NK's fabled army might find it has no government to go back to.
I also wonder what the reaction would be of the NK's troops seeing how much more prosperous SK is. I think that idea must scare the shyte out of Kim Jong Un and his generals.
And once again, the fabled 'hours' long war is tossed into the mix. Un would continue his inspirational broadcasts for years - even if he was killed on the first day. Propaganda is their business and they plan long term. Hell, the cult of Jesus didn't even start picking up momentum until after he was dead -> I'm getting paid extra today in celebration!
As for as SK affluence, it would likely be seen as the fruits of treason and all that much more reason to press forth killing the scoundrels.
RE: "Pyongyang could be eliminated as a factor in a few hours of stealth bomber attacks." - yeah, Nixon did such a bang-up job on Hanoi, that should certainly set a precedent, and our "smart bombs" dropped on Baghdad really brought the Iraqis to their knees, for a minute or two --
You really should not talk about subjects that you don't know anything about. South Korea has a military at least twice the size of the one in the North and has the US military backing them up. It would not be an easily conquered place. I lived in South Korea.
That doesn't make me an expert but I do know that they have solid metal doors on nearly every house/building since they learned from sad experience in the past that the Japanese and Chinese could easily kick in wooden doors. Pretty much every building is built like a fortress and made out of solid granite and/or concrete.
There is mandatory conscription to military training for two years. They have a huge reserve military in other words with nearly 4 million currently trained soldiers that can fight. The North is the place that would fall fast unless China or Russia helped them. The number of private cars, trucks and jeeps etc. in the South outnumber those in the North by huge numbers as well and could be used to transport troops also. The infrastructure is also very good in the South. (better and newer than most places in the USA now, hahaha) Most people think that South Korea is like the TV show MASH but it is almost on par with Japan in many ways. Of course proportionally since it is a smaller country but it is not some backwards "developing" nation anymore.
South Korea could invade the North and wipe it out if they had the desire to do so, but they aren't mean or stupid like that. Just because you don't like your crazy cousins from out of town that live in the mountains doesn't mean you should kill them all.
Yes, a war would be ugly on both sides but the North is very weak compared to the South. The industrial and technological strength as well as the well educated and very healthy people of the South are much greater than the North. The North puts on big parades to try to scare stupid people but no one in the South is very scared of them. They are a free people and very smart as well.
Anyway, it is fun to speculate but at least give a well educated guess about how things would turn out. South Koreans are awesome people and there are many good reasons why they sided with the United States during the Korean war. They are a prosperous and peace-loving people but they are also very prepared for anything the North tries to throw at them.
Living in a country and developing a romantic view of it doesn't give you much of an insight - let alone any ground for claiming that someone else knows 'nothing' about it.
The wiki pages on the North and South forces do suggest that the South has twice as many people 'available' for service, but only 57% as many active soldiers. So which one of us is right? The north has twice the army in boots right now, claiming it could increase that by 600%. The South has half the army in boots right now, claiming it could increase that by 1900%.
Next time you should try citing some sources rather than just playing the 'my dad is bigger than your dad' game. It would save us all a lot of time.
Don't play the I worship "sources" game with me. I have looked at the numbers and at many sources (including the wiki pages) and have read many things about this subject. You looked up a few things on wikipedia and now you are an expert?
You are the one turning this into a competition like you have to prove you are smarter and more well-informed about this than I am. I hope you are better informed than I am and that your sources are better than mine somehow.
How about instead of fighting, we just call a truce and agree that the facts show that the South is not some easily conquered place? Have you bought into the fable that the North has some great military that could win a war? If so, the propaganda machine that is the North (and ignorant people in the media that report about them) has succeeded in infecting your mind with unjustified fear and misinformation.
So you have no sources to back up your claim? Typical.
You have the whole of the Internet to check my claims and see if I'm lying but you attack me personally instead of the facts. Your citations only support what I said if you analyze them with any scruples. Sarcasm is a poor substitute for a real argument.
Consider yourself un-friended and persona non grata. I have attempted many times to be reasonable and civil with you just to have you return any of my attempts with veiled contempt and hostility. I have seen this pattern in your other interactions with other people as well.
I don't end relationships (even acquaintances on the Internet) lightly or without serious contemplation but I have no room for your hatred in my life. I hope you find something or someone that makes you happy and less focused on trashing on people that you really don't know when they are struggling or in the process of learning things.
I wish you the best of health, joy and no ill will on my part. Bye and may you live long and prosper. :)
A asked you for some sources - that is not a personal attack.
We never had any 'relationship' for you to end. Do you have me confused with someone else?
You have an abusive personality and are good at trashing on people. I hope you are NOT proud of your sad relationship skills. It wouldn't matter how many sources I produced as you would just be dismissive and abusive of them because of your personal hatred of me.
You can be the "sources" police and pretend like you are being virtuous when you are actually being an asshole.
It is nearly always a lose-lose conversation with you. That is why you are no longer worth my time or concern. Go away.