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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 19, 2010 at 9:20am

But as many "indicator" systems, it also has faults... eg full blood siblings born more than 2years apart...

 

It's all about balance and averages. It's never all one or all the other.

 

I am eldest by 5 and 7 years, and see the "attractiveness" of both my sibblings, but especially my brother, then youngest, with whom I have only 7 years of shared living. Have I ever acted upon that, no, but as somenoe else posted, if the human race was dying and we needed to procreate, I'd feel absolutely no disgust. Now the difficult part would be reversing my tubal ligation!

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Permalink Reply by Jeremy Berryman on December 19, 2010 at 12:02pm

I really wish the people here would get a few facts about genetics correct. The chances of having a 'genetic mutant' as the result of sibling incest is remote, just as remote as two non related people. The 'Incest' factor shows up in repeated inbreeding along a genetic line. (Hence royalty with 6 digits.) More to the point, even though this is an atheistic site, I am surprised at the hyper morality from the christophile background. If you and your sibling want to have sex, for procreation or recreation, what does it matter???

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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 19, 2010 at 12:05pm

Christophile... yes good one, I shall be using that, since I see so much of it. Thank you :)

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Permalink Reply by Craig Nomazlab on December 19, 2010 at 12:17pm

Everyone gets disgusted at the concept but when I think about it I don't find any reasons for why it would be "immoral." I wouldn't do it, but I don't think incest should be illegal. It's not hurting anyone, and the only reason why it would be illegal is based on specific peoples' morals, similarly to prostitution and gay sex.

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Permalink Reply by Ava Wilson on December 19, 2010 at 1:31pm

No, it's not okay.

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Permalink Reply by Julien on December 19, 2010 at 1:51pm

Good point... How come no one else thought about that before?

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Permalink Reply by Wassabi on December 19, 2010 at 2:30pm

This discussion has brought up something I was thinking about a while back. I remember reading in the newspaper about an adolescent girl who was raped by her classmates for some time here in Israel.
She was madly in love with one of them, and he took advantage of it and manipulated her into sleeping with all of his friends, together. They kept her locked up and filmed the whole thing- but when the police finally got to her, they actually had to get her to realize that she was raped. It apparently had not occurred to her… when I read the article I was thinking – now that she realizes what happened to her, will she process it differently?

If a child is sexually molested by a parent, without violence involved, or anyone else pointing that it's wrong- will it scar them? Or is it the social stigma that leads to emotional pain and scars?

Are these things built in? or are they social?

 

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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 19, 2010 at 8:57pm

I have also pondered about the relationship between the "quantity" of emotional pain as it relates to the social stigma of the act of rape. And painfully I do agree with you at a most basic level.

 

And I say this as a woman, I don't believe my vagina is "more" sacred (not much more anyway) than my skin or my brain or my blood or my home. When I was burglarised, I felt raped. If someone drugged me, I'd feel raped, if someone "telepathically" got into my brain or brainwashed me or performed surgery on me without my consent I'd feel raped. Any infringement upon the integrity of my being is rape. I've been close to rape on a couple of occasions, and I handled the situation. The "traumatic" effects of rape without physical pain/violence are certainly exacerbated by sexual taboos and considerations of 'sacredness' and 'preciousness'. I am not however entirely free of these, as I've often stated that to me the crime of 'sexual' 'violent' rape should be equally punished as the crime of manslaughter. Now this may seem contradictory, but for me manslaughter is not 'that' great a crime... ok don't scream :)  IMO any assault to the integrity of 'me' is a grave crime, if I am dead as a result, it is of less concern to me than if I'm still alive. So the punishment should be at least equal.

 

As for that Israeli girl, if her values change, then yes past acts suffered under different mental  frameworks might become more painful. Would it be akin to ex-alcholics who come to reject and despise their past versions of themselves?

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Permalink Reply by Jessica Harryman on December 19, 2010 at 3:58pm

i would find it disgusting but i think its up to the family to decide.  If they feel its ok and have no regrets with it then they can i guess.  It's there sex life, if they choose todo it with a sibiling then let them, just dont tell me about ok?

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Permalink Reply by Anathema6205 on December 19, 2010 at 9:50pm

Aside from the issues in genetics that this could end up in...I wouldn't judge another on their actions.
I personally wouldn't do so, but that's me.
I'm an asexual, so I don't really fancy the idea of sex with anyone.

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Permalink Reply by Anathema6205 on December 19, 2010 at 9:51pm

Ah, and if they're underage...that's illegal. And wrong.
But if both sides are of age and willing...I guess so...

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Permalink Reply by T A A on December 19, 2010 at 10:01pm

Every state and province and country have different "legal" ages. Legal age is ridiculous, humans are evolutionarily equiped to successfully procreate from puberty onward, and practice procreating even before puberty, and this in most of the animal kingdom. Only teens who had incompetent parents are mentally unprepared. Those parents are guilty of child abuse for lack of educating their offspring.

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