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Permalink Reply by Karen Azimianaraki on June 27, 2011 at 5:50pm

Just look at history, shit all the wars have been started for a "god"or money which I think governments think is god.

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Permalink Reply by Doug Reardon on June 27, 2011 at 8:14pm

Well, ours' must, they put his name on all of it.

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Permalink Reply by Andrew Longmire on June 27, 2011 at 8:24pm

of course. and not only through direct 'actions' as described above, and by inspiring such actions in 'his' followers, but also indirectly:

the patriarchy 'he' inspired also led our world to be populated by legions of males in power. as if that's not going to inspire bickering and violence.

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Permalink Reply by Kairan Nierde on June 27, 2011 at 8:41pm

Did he inspire it or was he inspired by it?  A great book for understanding the history of early monotheism--Goddess worship--and its subversion by God worship is "Who Cooked the Last Supper--The Women's History of the World" by Rosalind Miles.  It's very well researched and quite illuminating...

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Permalink Reply by Kairan Nierde on June 27, 2011 at 8:33pm

When I was still a monotheist, I rejected the male God for several reasons, his violence being one of them.  I converted to Gaia worship before becoming an atheist.  Even during my period of critical rejection of the old testament male God, I never considered the concept of God to be at root of humanity's predilection for violence, war, and subjugation.  This is because I know we've been at it since before the OT was even an oral tradition and far before monotheism took hold.  Resource scarcity is a great impetus for war, and just looking at the history of human migration, you can imagine that has been an issue which has haunted us from the cradle.

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Permalink Reply by Dr. del Toro on June 27, 2011 at 8:52pm

We're pretty good at finding reasons to kill each other. I don't think we can blame war on any one thing. Ants have wars, do they believe in gods?

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Permalink Reply by Michael Rose on June 28, 2011 at 1:17pm

I am not particularly stating that God caused ants to have wars; however, what I am trying to understand is if "God" could have imprinted his sadist ways on man and thus man taught unto animals. Take for instance dog fights and cock fights, never would have happened UNLESS for mans intervention. Same with "God." Is it possible we have taken the place of the dogs, figuratively speaking.

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Permalink Reply by Dr. del Toro on June 28, 2011 at 9:13pm

Plain and simple:

 

No.  "God" is not the cause of war.

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Permalink Reply by Andy O. Williams on June 27, 2011 at 9:16pm

Your question leads to so many possible answers. the question "does God cause wars?" implies that you are including what could be called holy wars. For your answer there are countless examples, the middle eastern conflict (i.e., Israel), Northern Ireland etc....

 

If you are to take the word of the bible literally then God blatantly supports genocide. The punishment for trespassing on one of the laws of the bible is invariably death. Maybe this is just yet another example of how the bible reflects the time and place that it was written in.

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Permalink Reply by Seth Jon Nonnemaker on June 27, 2011 at 9:41pm

Ah, good point....very good point. I never looked at it like that, I knew all the atrocities he supposedly committed but now that you like that it seems that god would be to blame. He would also be responsible for rape. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." There are alot of other things connecting god to those terrible things. What a god to worship right? A god who kills women and children and puts rules to rape.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Rose on June 28, 2011 at 1:21pm

Yes, I remember Deuteronomy 22: 28 - 29. Not a story you heard a lot in church, something they tended not to mention. You're point is valid indeed, and along with that, could you not go as far as to say he amused himself of slaughtering animals for sacrificial purposes. If he was an all powerful god who gave us the chance of free will, why did he order people to make sacrifices to him or result in the death of a first born? Which adds that he also was a baby killer. You could call him a sadist for the act of the 7 plagues of Egypt. What a cruel sense of humor right there.

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Permalink Reply by Seth Jon Nonnemaker on June 28, 2011 at 5:26pm

Agreed, I often ponder why preachers dont mention all the foul actions that their so called "god" allows. I just want to go into a church and ask about it sometimes, what do you think they would say or do? This is an excellent discussion.

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