Is Atheism Predicated Partially on the Belief in Evolution?
Is atheism predicated partially on the belief in evolution and the current prevailing views of science.
If so, then such a belief is subject to drastic changes as discoveries and theories
have recently arose that shatter the paradigm that is the foundation of such a belief:
Discoveries keep pushing back the inception of civilization, indefinitely back in time
Evidence of coastal civilizations existing during the ice age are arising in now inundated coastal region due to rising seas.
The concept of a missing link is no longer postulated as a bush of hominids lineages walked the earth. With what was once considered ancestors, actually being contemporary with postulated descendants. A bush of hominids actually existed as recently as 30,0000 B.C.E.
Though theories of evolution abound no working scientific model exists for the emergence of life.
Our very existence is interwoven with the anthropic principle. As such this has required scientist to postulate the multiverse to explain how the anthropic principle is mindlessly satisfied by nature. However this just substitutes one unfalsifiable believe for another.
In truth, Darwin's world has been shattered and the truth has become intractable. Even as we cope with dark matter and energy. Terms that falsely connote that we have defined them, when in fact they are no more apparent than God. As such new scientific theories continue to emerge based on the inadequacy of the standard model. This will continue into infinitum since, as God there is no means to detect these alleged entities with scientific instrumentation.
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Permalink Reply by John Kelly on -
Michael, we are talking about the settlement on the west bank of the euphrates. Saddam was only working on the area around the Ishtar gate which is on the larger east bank of the Euphrates, and actually is dry riverbed now and the Euphrates has moved west.
Saying it is under a curse is nonsense. The passage doesn't say "He who defies this prophecy is accursed". The passage says:
Nobody will live in it: False
The land will be infertile: False, farms exist all over the western portion of the former city limits.
The stones from the ruins wont even be used to make new buildings Jer 51:26: False, the stones from the ancient city have been reused in Hillah and were used to build Selucia. Babylonian stones from Nebuchadnezzar's time were stamped and sealed. That was what Hussein was copying.
Babylon will experience a sudden tragedy that will shock the world False, Bablylon slowly faded into obscurity, but was treated with respect by every conquering empire.
"The Lord has stirred up the spirit of the kings of the Medes, because his purpose concerning Babylon is to destroy it, for that is the vengeance of the Lord, the vengeance for his temple. Jeremiah 51:11"
This, did not happen. Babylon was not destroyed. The Medes kept it as a great city and it fell without a fight. The king of the city at the time was so absent that people didn't feel particularly loyal to him. He was busy being in Syria if I remember right.
Anyway, it lived on for hundreds of years and died a natural death, contrary to the prophecy about its destruction by the Medes.
As can be seen, you don't need google earth, google maps is on the link, people have regular settlements within the location of the city walls, the place was not abandoned forever.
The so-called curse is that anyone who tries to rebuild Babylon to make this prophecy invalid will be kept from allowing it to happen. Except that people have been living in Babylon for quite some time now, already invalidating that curse.
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Permalink Reply by John Kelly on
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You can also see that Tyre survived defying prophecy as well and still exists to this day. Ezekiel says it will become so lost it shall not be found. That never happened either.
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Permalink Reply by Michael on -
If the fall of Nebuchadnezzar did not shock the ancient world then what did?. Come on Babyon fell in one day as prophesied and by the invasion of the Persians. This was an earth shaken event in the Near East. the river cuts through Babylon, you are stating. Well, what is Babylon without its pride and glory and the Isthar Gate?. Even with settlement today on the out skirts, where is the Glory of Babylon that Hussein tried to reconstruct. It will never happen. Not even by UN mandate, though it is planned.
Also the vision in regard to the fall of Babylon in the future (Rome) is predicated on quick fall of ancient Babylon. "In one hour shall Babylon be destroyed"
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Permalink Reply by John Kelly on
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The glory of Babylon is silly. It has nothing to do with a prophecy that says specific things about its fall that never happened.
It was not destroyed, its glory lived on for hundreds of years. And then it slowly died out. It is thousands of years later. Of course now it is an archaeological ruin. Most ancient desert cities are. Where is the glory of Persepolis?
The prophecy says nobody would live there. The prophecy says nobody would use stones from the city to help build other buildings. The prophecy said Babylon would be destroyed. Babylon was not destroyed. It surrendered without destruction which some could attribute to the hand of a god that protected the city. Look at how Jerusalem fared... Instead it was treated with great dignity and honor and almost everyone kept going with their normal lives.
The glory of Babylon continued to mystify even the Greeks hundreds of years later and they made sure to keep the city in good shape, even though the city was just waning in popularity according to the natural course of time for desert cities. Where is the glory of Ur, or the glory of Mari, or the glory of Ebla, or the glory of Aleppo, or the glory of Petra? Should I go on?
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on -
John Kelly - I believe you're making him think, as opposed to relying solely on rote memory and pat answers, and that could result in severe headaches.
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin, Peres the handwritting on the wall was definitely satisfied: Your Kingdom had been weighed in the balance and found wanting and shall be given as an inhertance to the Medes and the Persians. Where in the prophecy is it implied that the destruction was eminent?
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Permalink Reply by John Kelly on
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Michael, wrong part of town. We aren't going over the passage in Daniel. We are going over the passage in Jeremiah 51 right now. There is no curse in Daniel. It is in Jeremiah 51. We will stick to the prophecy in Jeremiah and whether or not Jeremiah 51 came to pass.
As you previously were shown, the passage directly mentions the temple of Jerusalem, and the Medes and the Persians destroying Babylon.
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Permalink Reply by Unseen on -
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin, Peres the handwritting on the wall was definitely satisfied: Your Kingdom had been weighed in the balance and found wanting and shall be given as an inhertance to the Medes and the Persians. Where in the prophecy is it implied that the destruction was eminent?
Michael, it seems to me your time would be better spent, not promoting harebrained oddball theories and instead taking some remedial English.
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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on
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@ John Kelly - when you catch him, he switches horses --
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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on -
$1000 for just ONE miracle, Michael - not magical claims about vague references to third hand ignorance. Name just one - time, place, date, people involved, evidence for it. Why just go for my $1000 when James Randy would pay you $1,000,000 for solid enough evidence.
Just one, Michael - name it and let's see just how susceptible you've become to outlandish beliefs by opening your mind to god-delusion. You might as well have just cracked your skull wide open - that might have done less damage to your brain.
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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The Catholic Church claims to meet your bill with scientific evidence. I don't accept it, but based on the criterion that you use, it will meet it. I am sure that they will polish the Obelisk in St. Peters square with your donation.
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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on
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@Michael
I'll accept your denial of having any evidence of a miracle and accept your $1000 payment. Let me know when you are prepared to send the money.
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