Hello, everyone. I was an atheist until at the age of 27 I began to study the Bible in order to debunk it. I learned quickly that the Bible was grossly misrepresented by apostate Christendom's adoption of pagan teachings such as the immortal soul from Socrates, the trinity from Plato, the cross from Constantine, hell from Dante and Milton, Easter from Astarte, Christmas from the winter solstice celebrations, and most recently the Rapture from Darby.

Though I have never and will never be a part of organized religion, my beliefs are not entirely dissimilar to that of The Jehovah's Witnesses, due to the removal of the aforementioned pagan influence. I have studied briefly the history of the major world religions, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Shintoism and Taoism and have published sacred and non-sacred texts from each of these online: The Dhammapada, Four Noble Truths, Paradise Lost, Divine Comedy, Analects Of Confucius, Bhagavad Gita, Qur'an, Pirqe Aboth, Nihongi, Kojiki, Tao Te Ching and Chuang Tzu.

Having been an atheist most of my life and given that nearly everyone I know is atheist, I think I understand and respect where most of you are coming from. I don't believe in "converting" anyone to anything, but I do think the atheist tends to be mislead when it comes to the Bible. Not that that matters much, except for that I do enjoy, given the opportunity, to correct them in thoughtful and polite discussion and debate.

I hope we can have some interesting conversations.

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Heather - Wake me when you get a factual, evidentiary response --


Premise: "the firmament was a Latin mistranslation of a Greek word based upon the time in which it was given." 

Evidence: "aside from a 19th century theologian, and I think 2 modern day scientist, but also an examination of the Bible itself using two translations footnotes and linear notes." 

That is not evidence. That is a claim to have evidence.

Which theologian? Which two modern day scientists? Which two translations of the Bible? Which footnotes? Which linear notes? What are the names, dates, and publishers of their works? What specifically do they say? What do they cite as evidence?

For example, the atheist claims that my Dark Ages misunderstanding is incorrect, because they want the Bible to appear wrong; by saying the Bible DID say heaven was a solid dome with sluice holes to let in rain.

It's not "the atheist" making a claim. The atheist is rejecting Biblical claims and your claims, and for the same reasons: lack of evidence or strong evidence to the contrary. 

I quoted the Bible where it says birds fly in heaven, and clouds and dust are comparable in the Hebrew, not the Latin mistranslation of the Greek. I also quoted the Bible's description of the hydrological cycle which respected scientists have concluded, the Bible correctly describes.

Which "respected scientists" have concluded the Bible correctly describes the water cycle? On what basis have they reached their conclusions? What specifically do they say?

This proves the Bible doesn't agree with the Dark Ages and the atheist complaint is incorrect.

It proves you get the answer from science, then select whichever Biblical translation seemingly agrees with that answer.

The Bible says the earth is a circle, but the word may also be translated as sphere. Therefore, according to you, the Bible MUST mean sphere, because empirical science tells us the world is an ellipsoid, and that's close enough. 

How do you assert the correctness of a particular Bible, translation, or interpretation? You use science, not the Bibles themselves, to choose your answers. The 900 translations of the Bible are a multiple choice quiz. You're cheating.

David as one who claims to have been an atheist for I can't remember how long, you know the true christian line doesn't pass muster! tell me what you are doing here, am patient so long as it is brief lol

Why am I here? Why are you here? Why do you ask?

I've said it before. I'm here to educate the atheist misconceptions of the Bible. For discussion and debate.

You believe in a great flood that encompassed the entire planet?

How did all the fish survive, saltwater fish can't survive in fresh water and fresh can't survive the salt. Did it rain fresh or salt water?

What did all these creatures eat on their long walk back across the planet, all vegetation would have died off from being under water for so long and all other sources of food would have died in the flood.

Did the penguins trek across the desert without food?

Tex:

These questions are for folks like DH to answer. He has taken on a fool's arrand, trying to make sense out of non-sense.

For us, moving on is the best cure, not taking on the nuttyness, our freedom. DH can write commentaries till they die of exhaustion, having wasted their time with a hall of mirrors. Looking at their body of 'work', as their reward, turning more precious trees into a cultural artifact.

Carry on DH.

So how many angels can dance on a pin head? Is the answer 'none', 'one', 'infinite', or 'what a bullshit question'?

  

As one who is here to educate atheists you seem to require a lot of education yourself.

You need education on etiquette, on logic and i don't know what else. We have a good time polling what will make you leave soonest, well because we miss a lot of the BS you spew here.

Do everyone a favour, either you start the teaching you intended to do or shut the fuck up. You can't go insulting everyone who disagrees with you besides I don't remember we wrote an application to have a teacher on bible misconceptions. If you have been keen, the respondents here can hold their fort on religion. 

Everyone is born atheist, so don't take any credit. Other people are lucky their parents are irreligious so they start to learn from a young age how BS religion is others come to it on their own.

Which school did you go to, that is if you went? You can't claim to have been an atheist for 27 years then come here to tell us you don't know the meaning of word deist, you commit logical fallacies and tell us shit is god, what the hell!

I've said it before. I'm here to educate the atheist misconceptions of the Bible. For discussion and debate.

Educating others involves imparting general knowledge and helping them develop powers of reason, judgment, and critical thinking. You come across as illiterate of basic empirical science, epistemology and critical thinking skills. But more importantly, you respond to difficult questions not with thoughtfulness or evidence, but with resistance, hostility, incongruity, ignorance, and abuse, while attacking others falsely for lacking substance and sense when they are only lacking in what you yourself assert. 

Your claims amount to this: the Bible doesn't mean what it says, or what any Christian religion says, the Bible means what YOU say.

When you first came here with that I really thought you were joking. I got the joke once I realized you weren't kidding, that you actually think you're some kind of scholar, capable of "educating" others in this way. That's an astounding joke and that you have no idea how feeble and childish you actually sound is what makes it so funny,    

Whether you stick around or disappear back where you came from, I would spare you any misconception that most of us experience you any other way.  

Yes, this is how 'truth' works for theists.  For the theist, truth is not discerned, rendered or distilled - it is asserted.  Entirely new cults can be founded simply by one personality being able to assert, over the weaker minded, the truth.  This leaves the theist unable to understand why such tactics do not work with Atheists - for the theist is unable to use evidence to persuade reason.

We're all SO relieved, we thought you had been raptured --

Arch,

The Rapture isn't a Bible teaching so it wouldn't surprise me if you had actually thought that. If I go any where it will likely be that I'm banned. I've posted something like 13 times in the Bible forum only to have the post deleted without reason.

I don't mind asshole atheists shooting their mouths off but I don't hang around forums where good stuff is deleted by asshole atheists.

Well, you can certainly feel free to not hang around here - I really can't see that you're contributing anything.

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