in god we trust should be taken off of the money. One nation under god should be taken out of the pledge. and so on. The god they are referring to is the Christian god and thats bull shit. this country was founded on freedom of religion i mean if you say in god we trust why not add ala, Krishna, Vishnu, Shiva, Zeus and so on. im surprised that only atheists are fighting to get god removed Hindus and muslums should try to get it removed as well. I would like to hear what you guys think of this.
I pretty much agree, Mark. In God We Trust was first added to coins during the Civil War, in response to a push from evangelicals for the US to be a 'Christian Nation', in violation of the Constitution. Then it was added to paper money and made the US motto in the 1950's, again in response to a push from evangelicals, and boosted by the Cold War.
It is blatantly un-Constitutional, but very few people know the Constitution, or US history, well enough to realize it.
I ended with: "But the fact of the matter remains that the First Amendment states we cannot establish one religion over any others. Therefore using the word "God" as representative of the Christian God is a violation of the US Constitution. Our founding fathers gave us the right to worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any other faith in our own homes or churches if we wanted to, but they restrict that right when we try to introduce those beliefs to our government (which includes anything federally funded from the post office to our public education system). That is the law, and that law should be upheld."
That's what I don't understand; separation of church and state is fair for everyone. What if there was a shift and suddenly Islam became mainstream in the US...wouldn't the Christians like the separation then?!
yeah, people don't understand that the wall of separation protects both the state from religion and religion from the state. they fail to consider that without it the state could dictate how, when, and where people could worship. it's this fact that has led many church organizations from the very beginning to be in favor of church/state separation and why many still are today. it has never been the one-way street that the religious characterize it as.
I've pushed this with a few family members who were posting things on Facebook about the government pushing God out, and religion needing to make a stronger presence in the government. I push the "which flavor of Christianity?" angle. And ask "what if it is one of the flavors you don't agree with?"
Only a couple days back-and-forth, and I had won over a number of my extended family as supporters of SOCAS. Even if they weren't budging on their views of their religion and their faith, at least they understand SOCAS.
(Listing dates is another favorite; its amazing how few people realize how recent some of those insertions were.)
And also did anyone hear news reports a while back saying ever since Obama was elected we are seeing "a decline of christian America" when i heard that i was like O.O O.o "wait isn't this supposed to be a free country?" I mean really man who said this was a christian nation? The founding fathers certainly didn't.