I'm a big fan of Christopher Hitchens "Christian" challenge.
His challenge no believer has ever debunked.. He said. " You have to name me an ethical statement that was made or a moral action that was performed by a religious person in the name of faith that could not have been made as an action or uttered as a statement by a non religious person."
I admire this because I find that many christians want to know where their "true" morals came from, and this was interesting to share when dealing with the such.
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Permalink Reply by Galen on -
I immediately thought of religion-specific things as answer to this challenge. A Christian would consider praying for someone to be a moral action. They would consider a minister giving a holy blessing to be a moral action. Things like that are moral actions that could not be undertaken by an atheist (at least, not honestly and sincerely). Granted, we know these actions to be NON-actions, in reality. But if a xtian gave that answer and then Hitch told them "that doesn't count" it would be seen as him "moving the goal post" and, in their minds, they've won the challenge but Hitch just won't admit it. The challenge thereby loses its effectiveness.
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Permalink Reply by Esther Rhymes on -
I haven't seen it debunked.
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Permalink Reply by Galen on
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From our perspective, no. From the religious perspective, I just debunked it. If the religious don't think it's valid anymore, then it has lost its ability to make a point with them. Like every other appeal to logic and reason, God will just fucking magic his way out of it :)
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