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Permalink Reply by Mo Trauen on June 1, 2011 at 3:04pm

My guess is that the theists in her life are beating her up with the notion that she "can't prove god doesn't exist".  That is usually why people resort to agnosticism.  The problem, of course, is that this implicitly includes acceptance of the idea that the burden of proof is on the non-believer.

 

http://goodatheistarguments.blogspot.com/2010/09/burden-of-proof.html

 

http://goodatheistarguments.blogspot.com/2010/10/atheism-vs-agnosti...

 

http://goodatheistarguments.blogspot.com/2010/10/burden-of-proof-ii...

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Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on June 1, 2011 at 3:19pm

great website, Mo. Thanks for sharing.

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Permalink Reply by Clarissa Price on June 1, 2011 at 3:02pm

My point isn't just atheists and Christians or whatever. It's everyone. I talked about atheists in the discussion because an ignorant atheist pissed me off. I have dealt with ignorance from everyone black white atheist religious and it set me over the edge that people don't realize they're ignorant and try saying that they are open minded when there not. And it doesn't hurt my feelings per say but irks me.

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Permalink Reply by Kirsten on June 1, 2011 at 3:14pm

   You need to not worry so much about labels. It's human to label, but don't let the label be the entirity of how you explain yourself. 

 

   Your post is pretty vague and thus is being picked at. It's a very generalized complaint, after all. And the implication, by posting this here and with the wording you used, is that it's HERE that you're seeing ignorance. By not specifying who, you imply the whole community is part of it. 

 

  I personally disagree with the idea that we don't need to argue. We don't need to be cruel or terribly rude, but discussion on a wide scale is how societies grow and change. Where would our philosophical framework be if people like Socrates didn't stir things up? Where would science be if Galileo and his peers didn't come out and say, "No, you're wrong, here's why"? 

 

 

   If you want to call yourself an agnostic, most people will know what you're talking about so don't worry too much.

 

   Whenever we become defensive or angry after hearing something, we (everyone, as a people) need to find out WHY it makes us uncomfortable so we can face the real issues rather than bickering over semantics.

 

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Permalink Reply by Ryan E. Hoffman on June 1, 2011 at 3:18pm

that's eloquently put, Kirsten.

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Permalink Reply by choSenfroZen on June 6, 2011 at 10:30pm

okay, but I would rather be an ignorant atheist than an ignorant believer.

 

I think we cannot know all, BUT the religious claim to either know all through some magic pixie in the sky, or they personally know the pixie who knows all.

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