If you are a non- believer, why be moral when no one is looking?

If you are a non- believer in, all that you do is being recorded in the heavens, why be moral when no one is looking?

If there are no records and no witness, why not do anything you want?


If no one sees you do it, then is it a deed not done?


If all of this is true, then why do we have a conscience, where did it come.


We are told in scriptures that our conscience is our natural way of doing God's will in the absence of his Law.

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It's easy, Christians are not inherently good and are walking down the garden path of hypocritical destruction. This is the jest of the prophesies of the Revelation. This is a planet gone wrong due to  misapplied Judeo-Christian ethics. Look at Columbus, Cortes or colonialism in general, convert the heathen to what?, unholy inquisitions, papal indulgence, antipopes, pagan holiday christianity, forced conversion by the sword, sexual license among the clergy, bones of infants under Convents etc, etc. 

So you're saying that Christians' morals don't come from their god. Thanks for finally admitting that

Well in my  worldview something more sinister is going own.  The principalities of the air have induced this paper dragon counterfeit to pose as the truth and yet obviously have so many flaws to educated people to be mocked to scorn, simply so that the educated in their true discernment wind up believing in nothing. All this resulting in never having  the righteousness due to faith imputed to pass judgement day.

I agree with you for a change: 


It is indeed much harder to be moral if you are a Christian. 

International comparative statistics support this.  On most  items that many people consider to be measures of morality/immorality or social health (murder, divorce, teen pregnancies, unwed mothers, abortion, and so on) the more Christian the nation of the community within a nation, the worse they are  on such measures.  The reverse is also true:  the more secular or atheist the nation or the community within the nation the higher the degree of social health/morality.

While the superficial picture suggests that the more Christian you are the more immoral you are the complex picture shows that poverty, poor education, lack of universal health care and inadequate social support schemes combine to cause both the poor behavior and the retention of religious belief.  So, giving up your religious beliefs will not necessarily make you more moral.  Other things also have to change.


You have to be well educated in the sciences

Well educated in skeptical and critical thinking

Economically secure

Socially secure

In a stable and happy relationship.

Physically and mentally healthy.

Easily able to access and afford health care


The U.S. scores at the bottom of the heap on these measures, not because it is a virtual theocracy but because it is an anti-socialist country which believes that basic human needs are commodities, not rights.

I agree with you also. It's a cesspool religious land scape out there.

"do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

I've been treated like shit at times in my life, and i wouldn't want other people to go through the same thing


It has been pointed out that the better Maxim in the Eastern Version, expressed the negative.


Do not do to others what you would not want to be done to yourself.


OTOH, the positive version is a better push to be go beyond preventing harm to working to improve the good.


Of course, Jesus didn't invent this Maxim.  The Golden Rule was alive and well long before he was supposed to have roamed around Palestine.

There is also the platinum rule:

"Treat others as they would like to be treated"


Which requires that you learn about them instead of simply assuming things

That's the Psychotherapist's Rule :-)


Oh, one other thing: I have found that, by and large, atheists tend to be much, much more "moral" than most xians I know. It turns out that, when people are good because they choose to be, they hold themselves to a much higher standard than those who are moral because of fear of retribution from some deity.

common courtesy. i dont want someone to harm me or disturb my way of living so why would i do it to them? 

I try to be moral, because I have to live with myself.  I don't need approval from god, but I do need it from me.


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