There are international standards of weights and measures, even for the passage of time.

The gold standard for a moral, eternally abiding life now sits and the right hand of his Father.  

Diametrically opposed is the man of Sin, our natural proclivity and the spirit working in our minds and members. We sin as naturally and freely as water cascading down a water fall.

Our mouths, swear, our minds envy, covet and indulge in vilest most despicable imaginings. 

We are bitter, abusive, hateful,  coldhearted, murders, whisperers, callous, without natural affection, haughty, high minded, quick to anger, insufferable lot. Deserving all of the natural catastrophes that beset us, including AIDS, tsunamis, hurricanes and tornadoes. As AIDS spreads rapidly around the earth it becomes evident that everybody is sleeping with everyone across the whole planet. A sure marker of the moral turpitude that besets the earth. 

But a standard was born. Eat his flesh, drink his blood and let him abode in your mind and members that you may abide forever.

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Well by default the man of Sin is dwelling in all of us. Some maybe more than others.


If you swear more than you want to, and want to punch somebody's lights out at the least provocation, this might be a tell tale sign that it is in your blood and not necessarily in your genes.

You may have inherited a spiritual legacy worth getting rid of. The apostles were different men when the got rid of there spiritual legacies and took on Christ.

Michael, You would profit from reading of the pagan origins of Xianity. It might help you to 'get a life'. Fairy tales are OK for little kids, but you really should start reading adult history books & biographies of real people.
A man after my own heart. By studying these things I knew that what the world defines as Christianity was a lie!. Just as prophesied. You must read my threads on the Roman Empire and its offsprings the Latin Rite and the Orthodox rites including their Protestant children. all lies from the bottomless pit and the foundation of the coming worldwide deception by the ruler of the EU (neo-Rome) merged with Russia.
I do not see how one particular group of people get to claim that they have the market cornered on morals when " morals " are subjective to time and space. What was considered amoral or wrong has changed over time and varies from place to place. Simply, there is, human behavior and the ability to understand it and accept it or not to understand it and reject it....  Message to Dan, you rock !!!

Can we just let this thread die..? He's a nutter or a troll or both. A goodly portion of this board already rejects worshipping nutty gods, believing in the supernatural, and betting our lives on the off-chance that there's a payout of "eternity" at the end. 


Any God/Goddess/Pantheon of Gods/Divine Conciousness etc. who would create the world for humans, and then create humans with flaws meant to cause them to fail the odd moral standards he gives to one tiny group of people (which will spread and change in various forms till they resemble no part of the original religion or people) whom he will then punish for all eternity for being as weak and terrified as he/she/it/they made them doesn't deserve worship or love by any stretch of the imagination!



Another individual calling names and insults. manifesting the man of Sin.

Put on the man from Heaven. Imitate him and not world.

Not so fast, you can not throw out what was viewed by million with your simple explanation. These events where witnessed in 1969 by millions including scientist and doctors. Your snap judgement of people and events without examining the evidence or knowing the person is not exemplary critical thinking. You talking off the top of your head out of fear. Because if there is a God maybe you do not want your sins to be brought to light.

Got any documentation or evidence of the event being called supernatural or divine by scientists? Its an interference pattern.

Go read up on interference, diffraction, Young's double slit experiment & Young's single slit experiment. You'll see that its science, not supernatural.

Science FTW!

View the documentaries from 1969 on Youtube, tell me what you think and we will reconvene this discussion tomorrow. I give high praise for your civil tone and manner, Thank you.

If it was the same phenomena at the same place, don't think there is any need to watch it. Its the same thing - interference.

Unless you can dig out any CREDIBLE scientific analysis that says its something supernatural, then there is no point in discussing this anymore.

no it is not the first event was at Zeitoun Coptic Church in Egypt.

Meh, smart money is still on interference.

Find a credible report(no christian rags please) that says no scientific explanation could be given, and then this topic can be further discussed.


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