There are international standards of weights and measures, even for the passage of time.

The gold standard for a moral, eternally abiding life now sits and the right hand of his Father.  

Diametrically opposed is the man of Sin, our natural proclivity and the spirit working in our minds and members. We sin as naturally and freely as water cascading down a water fall.

Our mouths, swear, our minds envy, covet and indulge in vilest most despicable imaginings. 

We are bitter, abusive, hateful,  coldhearted, murders, whisperers, callous, without natural affection, haughty, high minded, quick to anger, insufferable lot. Deserving all of the natural catastrophes that beset us, including AIDS, tsunamis, hurricanes and tornadoes. As AIDS spreads rapidly around the earth it becomes evident that everybody is sleeping with everyone across the whole planet. A sure marker of the moral turpitude that besets the earth. 

But a standard was born. Eat his flesh, drink his blood and let him abode in your mind and members that you may abide forever.

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The 1969 event remains unfalsifiable

Thats incorrect. It remains un-falsified, though as I posted earlier, someone did try to document it and found nothing but flashes of light. 

I was searching for a short synopsis. This lady that you speak of neither validates or negates history in 1969.

Any synopsis will do. so your line of reasoning does not hold. Using Critical Thinking your objective is to show that the event is falsifiable. Moreover, all of the scientific investigations have center around the 1969 event. The 1969 event remains un-falsifiable. I am a degreed Engineer. Please lay down you theory of how a flash of light makes the 2009 event falsifiable. What type of experiment do you suggest to reproduce the phenomena, reproduce it and thus falsify it.

Burden of proof always rests on the shoulders of the one who claims to have direct knowledge of why something occurred. You have this backwards from the gate in that you have not proved it was a supernatural event.

 

Face perception is the already proven science that identifies the way that the human brain recognizes shapes especially faces when viewing inanimate objects.

 

What this event was is no more astounding then a group of people seeing the same bunny shape in a cloud floating thru the sky.

ehm, millions of people
Yes millions of people. Humans see patterns, shapes, faces where there are none. We are genetically predisposed to recognize human faces, so sometimes our eyes, rather our brain tricks us.
Here is another Marian Apparition in broad daylight to sink you teeth into. Food for thought. I am currently researching the validity of this occurance to see if it is falsifiable.

http://youtu.be/PxxygzM3p0Y I would like to reveal hoaxes just as quickly as everyone else contrary to what you probably assume.

OMG that one is amazing! I've never seen an apparition like that in broad daylight! This one might actually be real! Holy mother of...

 

Oh wait. Nevermind. It's a bright white statue with a bright white cloak glowing at the same brightness as the bright white roof next to it. There's a dude at the foot of the apparition, err, I mean statue, waving the cloak. You can see his head and arm pop out a time or thrice. Also, this place is a tourist attraction and a longer version of the video you linked is available as a dvd. In this clip you can watch her turn pink at the 4.41 mark as someone's camera flash goes off and the crowd ooh's and aah's.

 

Miracles are everywhere.

That was my take also and so the research.

We should never ever get to comfortable with what we believe:

http://youtu.be/wLNKQiV04xQ

When old and new testament manuscripts are uncovered that are not full of blatant contradictions, demonstrably false claims about history and science that many high school students could see through, and which do not contain blatant copies of myths (global flood escaped on an ark; eat and drink in remembrance of a man who died to save the world, then was resurrected, so that we too may be resurrected, etc.) from much older, equally nonsensical religions, maybe we'll consider it.

 

When prophets, apostles, and missionaries come to the earth performing miracles as happened from the start to the end of the bible (the bible repeatedly stating that prophets are necessary, "surely God will do nothing save he first reveals it to his servants the prophets", etc.), proclaiming god's message without taking people's money, dressing in extravagant clothing, and without teaching things blatantly contrary to pre-nicean/pre-hellenistic Christianity, maybe we'll consider it.

 

When Jesus shows up and explains why the new testament's writers misquoted Hebrew scriptures, took them out of context, or fabricated them under the name of old testament authors to make it sound as though his coming was prophesied, and explains why he did not condemn the ownership of slaves when he was surrounded by it, but simply asked masters to be less vicious to their slaves, then maybe we'll consider it. When Jesus does not tell us to obey the government (think Hitler, the Roman Catholic man who befriended the protestants and Catholic leadership of Nazi Germany) without question (as found in the new testament, at least twice), then maybe we'll consider it.

 

When God shows up and gives us a good reason to not see him as a monster in light of the ethnic cleansing, slavery, child abuse, incest, rape of POWs, and hundreds of other abominable sins the old testament claims he commanded his children the Jews to practice, maybe we'll consider it.

 

When people who believe Christ was the messiah and pray show a higher survival rate for brain cancer (alas, you all die at the same rate as us atheists), or god heals an amputee (the first ever), maybe, just maybe we'd consider it.

 

Until then, you're just preaching flavor number 258,612 of Christianity.

 

P.S. Their is evidence of massive volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, diseases, etc. that have been the norm throughout the history of the earth, long before the first human (or even our closest ancestors) fossils appear in the geological record. None of your claims are evidence for the sin or punishment of mankind, and by associating the destruction and death of human beings (including innocent children, pregnant mothers, Christians, etc.) with your god, you only make your god out to be a murdererous nut to the sober of us.

When old and new testament manuscripts are uncovered that are not full of blatant contradictions, demonstrably false claims about history and science that many high school students could see through, and which do not contain blatant copies of myths (global flood escaped on an ark; eat and drink in remembrance of a man who died to save the world, then was resurrected, so that we too may be resurrected, etc.) from much older, equally nonsensical religions, maybe we'll consider it.

 

Actually the latest research has uncovered coastal cities from the 9000 bc. particularly near Dwarka, India that today still remain inundated, Moreover the is evidence of coastal settlements at certain elevations of the Black Sea near the same time period. Moreover, the latest satellite images support the biblical description of the rivers that flood throw the Garden of Eden. Global inundation due to glacier ice melting has reverse the flow of rivers and cause other to seize existing.

When prophets, apostles, and missionaries come to the earth performing miracles as happened from the start to the end of the bible (the bible repeatedly stating that prophets are necessary, "surely God will do nothing save he first reveals it to his servants the prophets", etc.), proclaiming god's message without taking people's money, dressing in extravagant clothing, and without teaching things blatantly contrary to pre-nicean/pre-hellenistic Christianity, maybe we'll consider it.

 

This is also my pet peeve, and resulted in me funding expeditions to both Turkey and Israel looking for remnants of the seven churches in Asia Minor and the congregation that was once headquartered in Jerusalem. I throw out the Romanesque counterfeit Christianity that we know to day out on it's ear.

 

When Jesus shows up and explains why the new testament's writers misquoted Hebrew scriptures, took them out of context, or fabricated them under the name of old testament authors to make it sound as though his coming was prophesied, and explains why he did not condemn the ownership of slaves when he was surrounded by it, but simply asked masters to be less vicious to their slaves, then maybe we'll consider it. When Jesus does not tell us to obey the government (think Hitler, the Roman Catholic man who befriended the protestants and Catholic leadership of Nazi Germany) without question (as found in the new testament, at least twice), then maybe we'll consider it.

 

I only search the original manuscripts for truth, to many transliterational errors have crept in.

Best to go with a interlinear Bible with the original tongues. Moreover you need and exhaustive Lexicon. Then the doctrine of the Trinity disappears this false Asiatic/Greek concept. Better yet to find the Living Books, i.e., the Oracles of God. They are slated to appear in Jerusalem when the ground is broken to rebuild the Temple.

 

When God shows up and gives us a good reason to not see him as a monster in light of the ethnic cleansing, slavery, child abuse, incest, rape of POWs, and hundreds of other abominable sins the old testament claims he commanded his children the Jews to practice, maybe we'll consider it.

The futility of this life was prophesied from the Garden of Eden. The seed of serpent and the seed of God at war. "You shall bruise his head and he shall bruise your heel"

 

When people who believe Christ was the messiah and pray show a higher survival rate for brain cancer (alas, you all die at the same rate as us atheists), or god heals an amputee (the first ever), maybe, just maybe we'd consider it.

 

Romanesque Christianity, due to it's falsehood, has little yield. Whereas the true Oracles of God were burnt on Vatican Hill, to give light to the city, under Nero

 

Until then, you're just preaching flavor number 258,612 of Christianity.

 

P.S. Their is evidence of massive volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, diseases, etc. that have been the norm throughout the history of the earth, long before the first human (or even our closest ancestors) fossils appear in the geological record. None of your claims are evidence for the sin or punishment of mankind, and by associating the destruction and death of human beings (including innocent children, pregnant mothers, Christians, etc.) with your god, you only make your god out to be a murdererous nut to the sober of us.

Yes walking in darkness you indeed stumble, but the light of God, through his prophets can at least direct you if a natural catastrophe is completely unavoidable, this has happen again and again with the descendants of Noah, who indeed was warned.

 

No matter the doctrine you want to cling to, the one point that you will never ever ever have is the ability to produce a single independently verifiable supernatural event that cannot be explained with scientific scrutiny.

 

Even if we assume there is no explanation for the things you have laid out in this thread.. You still cannot produce the creator of those events for verification and scrutiny. This will always be the failure point of supernatural claims period.

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