Anyone else know people who say this and find it really annoying?

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I'm a skeptic. How about "rapture"? Not in the recent sense but in the older sense of being overwhelmed by emotion or awe.

If you want to use "rapture" as a comparison, then this discussion is the equivalent of implying anyone who uses the phrase "joy and rapture" actually believes they're going to fly up into the air to meet jeebus one day.

or maybe they should invent one...

If you cannot back it up objectively, don't make an objective statement.

And yet, you seem within your rights to be imperious by using the imperative. Didn't your mother teach you to use "Please" when asking people to do things for you?

What do you base this on?  To me, you sound no different than the people who make up shit about atheists being baby-eating, devil worshippers based off the three supposed atheists they've met.

Let me rephrase, then, using your own approved form of sentence construction: To me when people say they are not religious but are spiritual, it sounds like "I'm so bright that I made up my own religion. It's not one of the dumb religions other people believe that have names. It's MY PERSONAL religion."

So, I guess you have to be satisfied, now, don't you?


In my personal experience, people who need paraphrasing to include words such as "in my opinion" are reaching for the bottom of the barrel of ammunition and are usually trying to skew the conversation in another direction.

One can't interpret language literally as though sentences are based on a calculus of word meanings and a strict grammar as to how to use them. I can easily give an example of a situation in which someone not only means but expresses a thought entirely different from the uttered sentence. And now I will do so...

Imagine it's shortly before Valentine's Day. A young couple holding hands walks past a jewelry store. They stop and look in the window. The girl notices a very pretty but not terribly expensive necklace. She says "That's a very nice necklace."

Unless you are a total dolt with no sensitivity to how language is actually used, you understand that her actual meaning can't be understood through strict grammatical analysis.

She's actually saying something along the lines of "I'd be happy if I got that necklace for Valentine's Day."

I thought she was saying.. 

"Get that for me if you intend to ever see me nekid again"

Interpretation its all in the eyes of the beholder.

Hi Dragotron,

I think it depends a lot on what you think this spiritual feeling is.

I look at the universe and feel part of it, in a scientific way.

The atoms composing my body come inevitably from the core of a star.

This sense of being part of all this is what I call my spirituality.

I need no god to feel this, and I don't think there's any secret meaning behind this.

Does it classify me as religious?

I just don't get where spirit comes in. Spirit in what sense? A ghost? Enthusiasm (school spirit)? Why does the word "spirit" apply at all?

totally. I understand that even Carl Sagan and his wife Ann Druyan identified the cosmos as a "spiritual" thing. As much respect and adoration I have for the two of them. I fail to see any reason to use the word "Spiritual" in describing the cosmos. Sure. We're all connected. But how is the universe "of the spirit". The "spirit" is something that primitive man invented in a means of coming to terms with death. Religion is the mythology of which.


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