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Does anyone see any faults with Christianity?
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Deuteronomy 18:22 says, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him."

So, it follows that if there is even a single prophesy that is not true, then god is a false prophet.

 

A. Tyre - prophecy in Isaiah 23 (in 715BC) and in Ezekiel 26 (in 588BC)

1. That Nebuchadnezzar (the Chaldeans) will destroy the mainland city of Tyre (Isa.23:13 ; Ez.26:8).

2. At the end of 70 years, Tyre will recover and to return to business (Isa.23:15-17).

3. That Tyre would give some of her earnings to the Lord (Isa.23:18).

4. That many nations will come against Tyre (Ez.26:3).

5. The rubble of the city will be thrown into the sea (Ez.26:12).

6. That Tyre will be scraped flat like the top of a rock (Ez.26:4).

7. Tyre will finally be destroyed and never be rebuilt (26:14).

This is how those prophecies were fulfilled :

1. Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to mainland Tyre in 585BC, and overthrew it in 573BC, and the people of Tyre retreated to an island half a mile off the shore, and built up a city there.

2. 70 years later, when the Persians overthrew Babylon, island-Tyre recovered to prosper fairly well.

3. Cyrus, king of Persia, forced island-Tyre to contribute materials to rebuild Yaweh's Temple in Jerusalem.

4. The Assyrians and Egyptians attacked Tyre, and Alexander the Great (Greece) brought military forces from Sidon, Aradus, Byblus, Rhodes, Soli, Mallos, Lycia, Macedon and Cyprus.

5. Alexander's forces took the stones & rubble of fallen mainland Tyre, and threw it into the sea, to build a causeway out to the island-city of Tyre.

6. To smooth out the causeway, the lose topsoil and "dust" was scraped off and added to the causeway.

7. Alexander reduced island-Tyre to ruins in 332BC, and although people tried to rebuild it, island-Tyre was completely destroyed by the Saracens in 1291AD. Though an condominium area they call "Tyre" has been built a few miles away, the flat-topped site where the ancient ruins used to be has never been rebuilt, despite a flowing spring of fresh water running through it. That flat site is still only used for the spreading of nets.

- - - (References: "A Ready Defense" by Josh McDowell ; "Wycliffe Bible Commentary"; "Truth Triumphant" by S.M. Coder, Th.M & G.F. Howe, Ph.D.)

 

B. Jeremiah-

Jeremiah preached as a prophet in about 626 B.C., and God declared through him that, because of their sins, God would bring King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon against the Jews to defeat and destroy their land, and to carry them off to captivity in Babylon (and in other nations) for 70 years; But when the 70 years were over, Babylon would be defeated (Jeremiah 25:8-14), and then the Lord would bring the people of Israel out of Babylon (and out of those other nations) and back to their land (Jeremiah 29:10-11; 30:3,11).

archaeology and ancient history confirm the precise fulfillment of this prophecy, because in the year 606 B.C. in fact, Nebuchadnezzar's armies subdued Judah, taking thousands of Jews captive to Babylon (and other nations). This process continued, including the fall of Jerusalem in 605 B.C., and the captivity of practically all of the Jewish people. In 595 B.C, Jeremiah also foretold the fall of Babylon to the Medes (Jeremiah 51:11,28). The Jewish captivity lasted until Babylon in fact did fall to Medo-Persia, and then Cyrus the Persian King decreed in 536 B.C. that the Jews could return to their land, and many of them then returned (though not all of them). The captivity had lasted 70 years, just as foretold.

 

C. Israel-

Israel is predicted by a whole group of prophecies (such as Isaiah 11:10-12 ; Jeremiah 23:3-8 ; 30:3-11 ; Ezekiel 37:11-28 ; 38:8 ; Luke 21:23-24 ; and others) to be restored to the land of Israel as a politically functioning nation in the latter days. Back in history, as a result of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by General Titus of Rome, the Jews were scattered around the world, and they had no homeland or country of their own for more than 1800 years. The literal fulfillment of this group of prophecies was thought by some to be impossible, but in May of 1948 the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel was announced and recognized by the U.N. Though many of us may not approve of many of the political activities of the Israeli government, the prophecy has still come true, and nothing else even nearly comparable to this remarkable fulfillment has ever happened to any other nation of people in all of history.

You are now using the Bible to proof the Bible. The Bible is the claim for God and not the proof of anything.

Well, I'll agree that was long and hard to read, but he did also reference archaeological evidence as well as just modern fact.  

The bible is not a claim for God.  It's certainly not "proof" of anything either.

The bible is not a claim for God.

So says almost no other Christian. Bob...could you give your strawman christianity a rest already? No one buys your highly idiosyncratic abstract ghost Catholicism. Could you maybe move on and try another tactic?

The Bible is proof of God because it says so in the Bible and God wrote the Bible, which is also said in the Bible-which God wrote, and John Lennox agrees with.

There, I just proved God and the Bible and the authority of John Lennox and that's which he makes the big bucks.

 Anymore questions?

At this point you know i dont give a circular argument for god, proof from the bible is either a prophecy (historical proof) and moral proof.

both are not circular and rely on things outside the bible. 

Ironically, ALL YOU PRESENT ARE CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS.

Well, that's not 100% true, you ALSO use other fallacious arguments, the rest of which are almost entirely covered by errors involving attribution validity and puddle math.

IE: The vague acid trip-like "prophesies" are INTERPRETED so as to try to sound like they mesh with something real...and not normally able to be foreseen, etc....which they don't in real life w/o a lot of tortured gymnastics.

The "fine tuned" math is puddle math....its applying the wrong equations to make things APPEAR one way, on purpose, TO confuse people about the facts.

Essentially, ALL of your pasted agnotological math is incorrect.  

It, for all intents and purposes, is an attempt to prove that its impossible, statistically, to find a blob of water in the EXACT shape of a specific depression in the ground....forming the puddle we see, therefore, god must have DESIGNED the water to fit that hole in the ground, or else, it could not fit so perfectly.

All of your arguments (ALL) that discuss the statistics as a way to justify "design" are fatally flawed in this manner.

ALL of them.

If you CRITICALLY think, about the WAY the "statistics" are applied, you will SEE that they are applied INCORRECTLY. 

The REASON they ARE applied incorrectly is not a mistake on the part of the agnotological source you pasted it from...it was done ON PURPOSE, TO confuse you.

There are MANY flawed arguments that have been PROVEN to be flawed...and, they are STILL used BY agnotological sources who COUNT ON you NOT being able to SEE the flaws.

Use your noodle boy, for knowledge instead of agnosis.

:D

A. Tyre - prophecy in Isaiah 23 (in 715BC) and in Ezekiel 26 (in 588BC)

1. That Nebuchadnezzar (the Chaldeans) will destroy the mainland city of Tyre (Isa.23:13 ; Ez.26:8).

2. At the end of 70 years, Tyre will recover and to return to business (Isa.23:15-17).

3. That Tyre would give some of her earnings to the Lord (Isa.23:18).

4. That many nations will come against Tyre (Ez.26:3).

5. The rubble of the city will be thrown into the sea (Ez.26:12).

6. That Tyre will be scraped flat like the top of a rock (Ez.26:4).

7. Tyre will finally be destroyed and never be rebuilt (26:14).

This is how those prophecies were fulfilled :

1. Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to mainland Tyre in 585BC, and overthrew it in 573BC, and the people of Tyre retreated to an island half a mile off the shore, and built up a city there.

2. 70 years later, when the Persians overthrew Babylon, island-Tyre recovered to prosper fairly well.

3. Cyrus, king of Persia, forced island-Tyre to contribute materials to rebuild Yaweh's Temple in Jerusalem.

4. The Assyrians and Egyptians attacked Tyre, and Alexander the Great (Greece) brought military forces from Sidon, Aradus, Byblus, Rhodes, Soli, Mallos, Lycia, Macedon and Cyprus.

5. Alexander's forces took the stones & rubble of fallen mainland Tyre, and threw it into the sea, to build a causeway out to the island-city of Tyre.

6. To smooth out the causeway, the lose topsoil and "dust" was scraped off and added to the causeway.

7. Alexander reduced island-Tyre to ruins in 332BC, and although people tried to rebuild it, island-Tyre was completely destroyed by the Saracens in 1291AD. Though an condominium area they call "Tyre" has been built a few miles away, the flat-topped site where the ancient ruins used to be has never been rebuilt, despite a flowing spring of fresh water running through it. That flat site is still only used for the spreading of nets.

please tell me how this prophesy is a vague one.

I could give a crap about some guy way back when named "Nebudasneezer" and another fool named "Cyrass" and still another named after tires. There're legions, mountains, of these fools and huge amounts of human and natural resources wasted on their foolery--not to mention all the resultant genocides throughout the ages.

And this is another great example of arguing from the point of alleged "authorities from antiquity": there're these old "wise" guys written about in a book, therefore "God". Non sequitur, you lose, thanks for playing.

Note: people were generally stupider back then thru lack of good information. So keep their bad information and stupidity back there, sealed up, burned, so it does no further harm.

Post rejected. Thread rejected.

Again Nathaniel the Bible is only the claim. It is not proof of anything other than it is written in the Bible.

Nathaniel...did you ever bother reading this link:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies#Wrong_prophecies

And please don't tell me the link doesn't work. You can access it from any computer, tablet or mobile device.

look up the place -___-

its easy enough, unless you dont really want to understand what im showing you?

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