exactly, you can only believe, but until you die, you do not and can not know for sure. You it is only your opinion. Theists have their own "proof" that god is real just as Atheist have their "proof" that god isn't. So who is right?
in his defense, on this point anyway, this thread is in response to mine here and arose from a discussion in chat from which it's hard to quote someone's position effectively. that's not to say that he doesn't still have the responsibility to at least attempt to describe Christopher's position accurately or that he may not be indicted for describing as Christopher's position what is perhaps a caricature instead. i just mean to point out that it's not easy to directly quote someone's entire position from chat.
Nelson mentioned your name. In a post almost identical to this one. He didn't misquote you, and he also he apologized in advance, in case he was wrong in anyway. I really don't see the point of having two posts with the same topic. Nor do I see the point in turning this into a he said she said argument.
At the time I didn't see it wasn't Chris. I was bothered and slightly pissed so I made a mistake of who posted it. Chris was the person I was having an issue with not Nelson so I don't see why he felt he had to make it personal against me. I will say I am sorry to Chris on that thread if it is still going. But then it was Nelson did make it personal by using my name without asking me and saying that I said something that I in fact did not say. But what I said about Chris in this thread is more or less true. He assumes because he believes something that is must be true without a doubt and I feel he is wrong.