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Permalink Reply by Nelson on March 30, 2011 at 8:27pm

eh. this kind of misses the mark as a critique.

 

consider that, while your question "why would [his (or "its" if you rather) having been proven absolutely] make me want to bow down to the scumbag?" makes sense to other atheists, it's not going to make sense to her since she doesn't view god as a scumbag. her very simple answer would be to say "he's not a scumbag, that's why."

 

try going at her implicit skeptical theism (god works in mysterious ways) or the very notion of the god of classical theism being worthy of worship (without his even being considered a scumbag). 

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Permalink Reply by Tarina Jackson on March 31, 2011 at 10:47pm

Okay I see where i messed up I messed up in writing this. I didnt say that to her. Im calling it a scumbag here because.... well because thats how I view it. What my question is is , why do they (any religous group) think that simply making us (atheists) believe a god exsists enough to make us worship it? Is that clearer? I dont know its late and i feel like its not! Lol

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on March 30, 2011 at 8:47pm

Actually I would.  If someone could prove to me that a god existed, really for real, and he/she/it wanted me to lay face down on a pile of turds in trade for some happy chocolate and candy canes kind of eternal life, I would dive into those turds like they were Honey Nut Cheerios.  That's just me though.

 

The point is that there isn't a shred of evidence for the existence of any kind of deity or paranormal hoo-haw, and I'm not foolish enough to by a pouch of magic beans.  If you want to develop some debating skills though, I suggest you follow the links that Nelson offered below.

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Permalink Reply by Loop Johnny on March 31, 2011 at 2:59pm

By defintion, a perfect being does not need anything. That includes worship too.

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Permalink Reply by Tarina Jackson on March 31, 2011 at 10:51pm

That does make sense. 
Also thank you for not mentioning my debating skills as others have done. :)

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Permalink Reply by James on March 31, 2011 at 8:12pm

Depends on which god was demonstrated to be true. Existence wouldn't equate automatic worship for me. If it was the Christina god, then no (assuming the Biblical account of his nasty deeds wasn't shown to be inverse to the truth). If the god of the Bible were proven to be the one true god, I would actually consider it a moral imperative to defy such a being. But if it was say... Buddha, than I'd probably join on in.

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Permalink Reply by Tarina Jackson on March 31, 2011 at 10:56pm

Okay let me just begin this by saying yes this post is poorly written and yes it is more of a rant then anything but dont bring up my debate skills. Please and thank you.
Second, what I should have asked was "Given absolute proof of the existance of a deity would you worship it?" the conversation I had with that girl had little to do with the question it was just what made me think of the question.

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