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Permalink Reply by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on November 11, 2010 at 9:09pm

Don't stop! Get to this part! It's the classic "you're an atheist because you're a depressed mental case" argument.
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1In the discussions, you need to find out why this particular atheist may feel that way

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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on November 11, 2010 at 7:05pm

I rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy ! lol.

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Permalink Reply by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on November 11, 2010 at 9:13pm

I thought it was "I'd rather have a BOTTOM in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." lmao

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Permalink Reply by Skycomet the Fallen Angel on November 11, 2010 at 9:12pm

lmao

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Permalink Reply by Joli on November 11, 2010 at 4:24pm

I scanned over this and now that I am finished, I think I'm a Christian again............HA! PISH Whatever! I won't ever go back to the delusional closet ever again! LOL wow, just wow.

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Permalink Reply by Jake W. Andrews on November 11, 2010 at 4:49pm

"An atheist will want definite evidence, not just a rehearsal of your faith. You'll have to provide concrete facts and scientifically thought out arguments, although do not focus on those too much; our beliefs based on faith, Christian love and joy of worship (all immaterial things), are not evidence to the unbeliever. In fact, a reliance on faith may be evidence to the atheist that you aren't relying on facts. "

Actually this post has lots of merit to it. What is so terrible about the wiki page?

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Permalink Reply by Apple on November 11, 2010 at 6:39pm

Yes, some of what he says is in fact correct. But he mixes correct views with false ones. Especially when he talks about atheists using data from "atheist scientists." Haha... yeah, that's a good one.

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Permalink Reply by Matt Coulthurst on November 11, 2010 at 6:54pm

As I was reading I was thinking that it was actually a pretty good way to talk to anyone (regardless of religious affiliation) without being an asshat...

Then I got to discussion points 4 onwards which were basically arguments from complexity - the obvious inference is that anything science cannot currently answer about abiogenesis must be the handiwork of God.

So, apparantly, the best way to convince an atheist to become a christian is by invoking the God of the Gaps.

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Permalink Reply by pat on November 11, 2010 at 10:32pm

I laughed at this part
You'll have to provide concrete facts and scientifically thought out arguments, although do not focus on those too much;
Yes christians understanding science combined with well though out argument may turn you into an atheist, be careful

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Permalink Reply by justin gold on November 11, 2010 at 6:18pm

It reads like a leaked document from the Vatican.ridiculous!

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Permalink Reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer on November 11, 2010 at 6:53pm

Over the last few months I have “debated” science with some Jehovah Witness followers who seem (like some other cults) recently to be trying to use science to help prove their beliefs. It is really just an attempt to appear educated and modern. The “Discussion” section of the link I posted is exactly their strategy.

I recently found a document that debunks their latest publications. It is well work reading even if you have no contact with such people. For some reason the author is not named but it is very well referenced.

It summarises and explains various scientific subjects in a succinct manner. I think it is worth downloading and reading– only 1.6 MB’s. The beauty of the “Poetic Justice” re the Craig Venter experiment with the artificially generated genome is priceless. Some other good pdf’s on the page also.

http://www.freeminds.org/category/2-short-articles.html

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Permalink Reply by Matt Coulthurst on November 11, 2010 at 7:04pm

Thanks for that link. Interestingly enough, here is what Google served up as ads for that page:

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