So I was looking for stats on how many atheists were once theists of some type or another (still haven;t found it-- so could use some help) and I found this page. 

I thought it was interesting in the fact they try to keep Christians aware of logical fallacies.. 

I know how we feel about religion already, what I'm wondering are your views on this primer for converting atheists...

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I think I could respect someone who took this approach.  I liked that the article encourages readers to read more or research more, to understand or dispel some misconceptions they may have about atheists, to set up a two way street, and to accept that in the end you may still disagree.  I don't know how often it would actually work, but if a genuine friendship forms then maybe that's besides the point.  As Gallup's Mirror pointed out, there are definitely some problems in the article (e.g., the idea that scientists are atheist or christian, the idea that atheists twist science in their favor), but in the end I think the good outweighed the bad.

When I read it, and thought about how that might play out, it seemed to me that the Christian might very easily be converted to atheism during the exchanges that occur under this technique.

When I read it, and thought about how that might play out, it seemed to me that the Christian might very easily be converted to atheism during the exchanges that occur under this technique.

Dang it Strega you've up and let the cat out of the bag!

I was thinking the same thing when I read it. 

I agree Strega, if the christian person following the advice given in his article and wanting to do the conversion, studied in depth enough to see the Atheist point of view, they would likely see the fallacies of all faith based religions and concede to the Atheist side.Maybe it is really an Atheist plot to convert christians!

I couldn't stop laughing reading through the article. Seems very humorous 

Familiarize yourself with Atheist arguments. If you're going to present an argument for your beliefs, skim over what atheists have said about such arguments in the past. This may show interest and respect for the other person's thoughts and time

Most Atheists would send a theist running with their tail behind their back. I can't really see this working at all. Most Christians will almost fail at this.

Giving theists a little slack might be ok. Remember ignorance is not overcome over night, unless 'god', or a very good computer model is involved. It might not be exactly true, but a theist could be a pre-atheist....

This reminds me of some 'man-show' monologue on how to get women into bed.

1. Try to imagine yourself in her position.  If you had a vagina, would you want all your friends trying to punch that thing?  Remember that she may have already made up her mind not to have sex and failing to respect that decision may result in felony charges.

2. Be prepared to have your masculinity challenged!  You may be presented with some awful anecdotes about male behavior.  While it is important to empathize, one must be careful not to apologize lest such an apology be construed as an admission of guilt.

3. Be prepared to have a genuine conversation with them. Show interest in what they are saying. If your only interest is in bedding someone, you are not likely to get a warm audience.

4. Be knowledgeable about sex.  Although some women may come across as real prudes, it is likely that they spend a lot of time fantasizing about sex and therefore you must do your homework.

5. Be knowledgeable about feminist rebuttals.  Check forums and blogs to find out which lines have been tried and which are shot down in the most humiliating manner.  Remember, most women will spend more time turning men down than the average man will spend trying to turn them on - develop your repertoire and practice your delivery.

I remember one time that I cried just after I and a gal friend 'did it'. She sort of felt honored by the experience. A male crying, after sex, weird...Wow....

A sensitive newage male with more brain cells than normal, double weird....


Heather, your five were too good to leave in history's dustbin.

Corollary to 2. An apology will be construed as an admission of guilt and as a lack of self confidence. Instead, chuckle as if the behavior described never occurred to you.

Corollary to 3. Your interest in bedding someone won't be your only interest if you've jacked off recently. How recently is highly idiosyncratic, so practice and learn.

6. Practically guaranteed: after a spouse-swapping party ends, leave with another couple with whom you and yours had not swapped. All four of you are more than ready for more.

These are without my having read the WikiHow article.

Tom - RE: "chuckle as if the behavior described never occurred to you." don't forget the sad head-shake - very importat!

So Heather, you're saying, "Hi, what's your sign?" might not be the way to go --?


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