A friend of mine is a pretty die-hard Christian (shock horror, both of his parents are missionaries/vicars) and he often posts little sayings of some kind or another on Facebook, which I usually ignore. However, today he posted something that really irritated me for some reason:
"The more I look at science, the more in awe of God I become."
And just to make that worse, one of his Christian friends commented "Boom" as if he had made some kind of infallible argument. Somehow, I feel as though nothing I say will make any difference because they must be incredibly deluded already to believe that God just "invented" science. Basically, this is the guy who thinks he's a "modern and intelligent" Christian by saying that things like Noah's Ark are "just stories and aren't meant to be taken seriously by Christians". But if that is true, then why take ANY of the Bible seriously and where does he draw the line between stories and (what he believes is) the truth?
In the past I asked him and his friend where the evidence was. He claimed science (yes, seriously) helped prove Christianity and that Christianity was about "opening yourself" to it and believing, and then you "feel God" or whatever. How do you argue with someone like that??
What do you all say to religious people (not necessarily just Christians) who claim that science is just an invention of God? Is there a specific way to argue with someone who twists everything to awkwardly suit modern day thinking?
I saw a chicken literally cross the road the other day.
Damn I hate living in the south!
A church every 10 feet and chickens running amok!
Although it did use the crosswalk.
At least it was law abiding.
Why did the chicken cross the road? To prove to the possum that it could be done.
"life sprang spontaneously" vs magical creation - we don't know exactly how it happened, vs "goddidit!" - exactly which "cold, hard facts" did you have in mind?
Okay seriously Richard, lumping Christians in the same category as all religions is logical best practice.
Christianity is a subset of a larger category called religion. When we look at the value of religion, we have to look at the entire set as a whole. It is the most logical of all ways to look at a set composed of many components.
And also to claim there is no God is not a leap of faith. That is the point. What is worth arguing is not whether there "can be" or "can't be".
What is worth arguing is simply "does this thing that seems a possibility actually have enough evidence worth considering it"?
Because considering the possibility that for instance, the TV show Stargate is actually real and we just were seein reinactments of the real secret missions, is just not worth it. It is fine to just say "It isn't real". It isn't a logical leap to make reasoned assumptions.
What you have been afraid to actually argue is whether or not it is reasonable for a non-believer to accept belief in God. And that is all that actually matters. Because you are responsible to think honestly.
So, to deny the existence of something absurd, like the idea that there's a full grown African elephant in the glove compartment of my car requires a "leap of faith"? How is it a leap of faith to withhold belief based on the complete lack of credible evidence for the God Proposition?
What are these so-called "atheist atrocities"? Hitler was raised a Christian. You can't be referring to him.
Christian atrocities have tended to be done in the NAME of the faith. If you're referring to the atrocities of, for instance, Stalin, they were political in nature, not religious.
You have been amusing mainly because you haven't done nearly as much thinking on the topic as you think you have. You came totally unprepared.
RE: "Hitler was raised a Christian."
Though there can be no doubt that Martin Luther exhibited great courage in opposing the full force and extended reach of the Vatican, one must be a little conservative in the lavishment of praise of his work. Luther also helped spread anti-Jewish sentiments with his preaching and books such as his "The Jews and their lies," all supported through his interpretation of the Bible. One should not forget that Hitler (a Christian and great admirer of Luther, also German) and his holocaust probably could not have occurred without Luther’s influence and the support of Bible-believing German Christians.
"The scientists found that a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries is necessary for the formation of the egg...The egg can therefore only exist if it has been created inside a chicken.The protein speeds up the development of the hard shell, which is essential in protecting the delicate yolk and fluids while the chick grows inside the egg, the report said.
"It had long been suspected that the egg came first but now we have the scientific proof that shows that in fact the chicken came first," said Dr. Colin Freeman, from Sheffield University's Department of Engineering Materials.
"The protein had been identified before and it was linked to egg formation, but by examining it closely we have been able to see how it controls the process," he said.
So that's it in an eggshell, according to recent scientific findings - the chicken must have been here first, as the egg is formed with proteins found inside the chicken, claim modern day scientists.
still debateable? probably...
Who says we need to prove there isn't a God? That is just silly Richard.
I simply need to prove that it is dishonest thinking to begin to believe he does exist. That is all. Nobody should ever convert to Christianity, because doing it means you are making probability calls that aren't accurate.
Anyway the bible references that YHWH used to be a lesser deity under a bigger God named El. Which of these two gods are you talking about?
RE: "God loves you and will accept a humble you."
"Religion has actually convinced people that there`s an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do..And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever, `til the end of time! ...But He loves you!"
-- George Carlin --