A friend of mine is a pretty die-hard Christian (shock horror, both of his parents are missionaries/vicars) and he often posts little sayings of some kind or another on Facebook, which I usually ignore. However, today he posted something that really irritated me for some reason:
"The more I look at science, the more in awe of God I become."
And just to make that worse, one of his Christian friends commented "Boom" as if he had made some kind of infallible argument. Somehow, I feel as though nothing I say will make any difference because they must be incredibly deluded already to believe that God just "invented" science. Basically, this is the guy who thinks he's a "modern and intelligent" Christian by saying that things like Noah's Ark are "just stories and aren't meant to be taken seriously by Christians". But if that is true, then why take ANY of the Bible seriously and where does he draw the line between stories and (what he believes is) the truth?
In the past I asked him and his friend where the evidence was. He claimed science (yes, seriously) helped prove Christianity and that Christianity was about "opening yourself" to it and believing, and then you "feel God" or whatever. How do you argue with someone like that??
What do you all say to religious people (not necessarily just Christians) who claim that science is just an invention of God? Is there a specific way to argue with someone who twists everything to awkwardly suit modern day thinking?
Any explanation of anything has to begin with an appreciation of what's possible and what's likely. That a ghost whipped up the cosmos doesn't pass even the most basic tests of possibility and likelihood.
RE: "Christian thinking" - isn't that an oxymoron, like "Army Intelligence"?
HAHAHA!! As a former soldier, I say BOOM! HAHAHA!
Been there, done that, got the scars --
Thanks for your service!!
Ehh, I wasn't doing anything, anyway --
What a drama queen. Not all Christians have the same concepts of 'evolution'. Some believe in evolution as God's creative tool.
They add "and God did it" in much the same way that, when I was a kid, we'd have fun with song titles by adding "under the sheets" at the end. "Please Please Me (under the sheets)," "Be My Baby (under the sheets)," "A Hard Day's Night (under the sheets)," etc.
...There's a reason these pricks watch the weather forecast instead of dancing for rain...
Except in Texas where Gov. Rick Perry prays for rain. LOL
Actually Greg, i believe his official title is Gov. Rick ("Oops!") Perry --
Texas just can't catch a break first Baby Bush and now Rick ("Oops!") Perry. :D
I do appreciate science and I am a theist. I'm not the only one. History is full of people like me.
How do you account for that?
One word: Ignorance.
The way that you seem to believe is through the 'god of the gaps' theory. Through all that science shows to you, you point and say, 'yes that's true, but god did it'. Then when it's shown that god wasn't the step before you rinse and repeat. First god created man from nothing, then it was discovered that it was actually through evolution that we came into being. You may reluctantly accept this and then say 'but where did the earth come from?' to which we learn its the big bang. You then retreat to say 'but where did the big bang come from?' Once the answer to that question is solved, just like all the others have been, what will the question become? As soon as you find a gap in the knowledge of science it becomes 'goddidit'. The gaps are slowly growing smaller and smaller leaving less and less room for a 'god'.
If you accept science and appreciate it while still being a theist then this is the only logical way I can see it working out in your head. What will happen when you cannot say 'goddidit' because we have knowledge that answers all your questions without the need of a god?
People like you are scattered through history because their knowledge wasn't nearly as wide and freely available as what it is now, they did not know about evolution, nor any other of the scientific discoveries that we have found make the universe work perfectly fine without the need for a 'goddidit'.