Hello everyone,

A friend of mine is a pretty die-hard Christian (shock horror, both of his parents are missionaries/vicars) and he often posts little sayings of some kind or another on Facebook, which I usually ignore. However, today he posted something that really irritated me for some reason:

"The more I look at science, the more in awe of God I become."


And just to make that worse, one of his Christian friends commented "Boom" as if he had made some kind of infallible argument. Somehow, I feel as though nothing I say will make any difference because they must be incredibly deluded already to believe that God just "invented" science. Basically, this is the guy who thinks he's a "modern and intelligent" Christian by saying that things like Noah's Ark are "just stories and aren't meant to be taken seriously by Christians". But if that is true, then why take ANY of the Bible seriously and where does he draw the line between stories and (what he believes is) the truth?


In the past I asked him and his friend where the evidence was. He claimed science (yes, seriously) helped prove Christianity and that Christianity was about "opening yourself" to it and believing, and then you "feel God" or whatever. How do you argue with someone like that??


What do you all say to religious people (not necessarily just Christians) who claim that science is just an invention of God? Is there a specific way to argue with someone who twists everything to awkwardly suit modern day thinking?

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I've lost the patience for reasoning with die hard theists. I just turn their own logic on them and tell them exactly what they oh so love to tell me.

"You're gonna find out one day, You KNOW that". "There's only one real guarantee in life, DEATH".

"Then you'll just be dead. Just like every other dead person".


I can relate. I have a friend on Facebook which is always posting about how anti-Christian he thinks Obama is. It's so frustrating. He's a nice guy - why do his beliefs have to be so stupid? In general, I just sigh and continue about my business, because someone who is that crazy cannot be convinced. That would require rationality. As much as I hate it, some people just aren't rational.

People invented 'science', but they are in reality just learning and codifying the physics truths that are already parameters that inform our universe.  The universe screams out 'design'...and some of us see in that a 'designer'.  As for "Boom"?  Not a word I would use, but I imagine it was powerful to the person uttering it.  As far out as telescopes can see, and as far in as microscopes can see---design.

Design? Maybe through designer glasses (eh, see what I did there?). I see chaos that abounds from following natural laws. And not chaos as in randomness or a class full of kids doing what they want, but chaos as in chaos theory.  In other words, I see math.

Chaos theory still allows for a relatively stable planet to exist where humans are permitted to play out their lives. Entropy, degradation, and chaos are held at arms length at God's sovereign discretion...it doesn't matter how much math you use to describe otherwise.

I believe it's more accurate to say that people discovered science --

I meant that the Scientific Method' was invented by people, specifically scientists...but I see you want to split semantical hairs, you know what I mean. God gave us an intellectual curiosity, how we use it, i.e., by what we invent, is up to us. If we invent cleverly articulated arguments to try to diminish God as creator, well good luck with that...God will remain sovereign.
This God which you refer to, it's an intriguing concept. Where did you first hear of such a thing? Tell me more of this concept its a novel idea please explain, really.

God will remain sovereign (king). One symptom that Christianity is going by the wayside is this constant talk of sovereigns, kings, princes, etc. It's just so fricken medieval.

"God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance,
that gets smaller and smaller as time goes on."
-- Neil Degrasse Tyson --

I assume by "design" you mean the way stars are arranged to look like glitter spilled on a black floor? the way so many fetuses die spontaneously in the womb? 

The truth is, people like you will try to find in anything that isn't patently chaotic a magical sorcerer who brought it into being through giving it what you see as order.

BTW, there is so little order on the quantum level that we can only describe it statistically.


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