Hello everyone,

A friend of mine is a pretty die-hard Christian (shock horror, both of his parents are missionaries/vicars) and he often posts little sayings of some kind or another on Facebook, which I usually ignore. However, today he posted something that really irritated me for some reason:

"The more I look at science, the more in awe of God I become."


And just to make that worse, one of his Christian friends commented "Boom" as if he had made some kind of infallible argument. Somehow, I feel as though nothing I say will make any difference because they must be incredibly deluded already to believe that God just "invented" science. Basically, this is the guy who thinks he's a "modern and intelligent" Christian by saying that things like Noah's Ark are "just stories and aren't meant to be taken seriously by Christians". But if that is true, then why take ANY of the Bible seriously and where does he draw the line between stories and (what he believes is) the truth?


In the past I asked him and his friend where the evidence was. He claimed science (yes, seriously) helped prove Christianity and that Christianity was about "opening yourself" to it and believing, and then you "feel God" or whatever. How do you argue with someone like that??


What do you all say to religious people (not necessarily just Christians) who claim that science is just an invention of God? Is there a specific way to argue with someone who twists everything to awkwardly suit modern day thinking?

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The "god as first cause" argument, Richard, forces the question, what created your god?

Don't bother. You're trying to kick water uphill.

And "science can not bridge the natural to the supernatural", we are only saying that the natural points to, is indicative of, the supernatural. The watchmaker argument.


Rich, I hope you hang around a while this is some funny shit.

Please, tell us more...but wait a sec...I gotta clean my screen...it's cover with the coffee I've been spewing out my nose everytime I read another of your posts....OK, I'm ready now. :)

I am at work and typing via my cell phone, so if I jump around it is for those reasons...and no I can not be an expert on every field of science, but a general understanding shows something with complexity has a designer. Maybe I am not as intelligent as all of you collectively, or perhaps even individually, but my study of our physical world, and from personal life experience (which i am sure you are eager to discount)proves to me the reality of God. None of you can prove how the universe got here or how life started, so "Let God be true, and every man a liar." I know quoting the bible makes you hysterical, so laugh yourselves silly.
Richard, you have just demonstrated the point that is trying to be made. Any monkey (to coin a phrase) can bring their knowledge to the point of 'general understanding'. General understanding ends when an individuals comprehension of concepts that are not easy to dilute ends. Then its time to do the homework.

Similarly whenever I see the phase 'common sense', I cringe. Common Sense: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts.
Q: So what happens when your simple perception is wrong Richard?
A: God

"To the scientist the word "supernatual" is a contradiction.
Everything that is in the universe is natural;
the supernatural is the natural not yet understood.
And that which is called the supernatural is often the figment of a disordered, undisciplined or undeveloped imagination."
-- Elbert Hubbard --

Any explanation of anything has to begin with an appreciation of what's possible and what's likely. That a ghost whipped up the cosmos doesn't pass even the most basic tests of possibility and likelihood.

RE: "Christian thinking" - isn't that an oxymoron, like "Army Intelligence"?

HAHAHA!!  As a former soldier, I say BOOM!  HAHAHA!

Been there, done that, got the scars --

Thanks for your service!!



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