A friend of mine is a pretty die-hard Christian (shock horror, both of his parents are missionaries/vicars) and he often posts little sayings of some kind or another on Facebook, which I usually ignore. However, today he posted something that really irritated me for some reason:
"The more I look at science, the more in awe of God I become."
And just to make that worse, one of his Christian friends commented "Boom" as if he had made some kind of infallible argument. Somehow, I feel as though nothing I say will make any difference because they must be incredibly deluded already to believe that God just "invented" science. Basically, this is the guy who thinks he's a "modern and intelligent" Christian by saying that things like Noah's Ark are "just stories and aren't meant to be taken seriously by Christians". But if that is true, then why take ANY of the Bible seriously and where does he draw the line between stories and (what he believes is) the truth?
In the past I asked him and his friend where the evidence was. He claimed science (yes, seriously) helped prove Christianity and that Christianity was about "opening yourself" to it and believing, and then you "feel God" or whatever. How do you argue with someone like that??
What do you all say to religious people (not necessarily just Christians) who claim that science is just an invention of God? Is there a specific way to argue with someone who twists everything to awkwardly suit modern day thinking?
The best way I have found, is to use the Bible AGAINST the Bible. Literally using the Bible against itself is the best way to argue against Christianity. It is how I have converted many students away from the religion. When I produce logical arguments against what is written and illustrate how contradictory and illogical it is, many have "seen the light" so to speak, and turned away.
Many arguments that I have used can be found here:https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/270873It also illustrates the consequences to all of us who live in Christian based societies.
Excellent strategy. Another good resource is the Skeptic's Annotated Bible.
What your friend said doesn't make sense at all to me! I mean not to be rude but your friend sounds like a crazed nut job.
I always like to point out that everyone was born an atheist. That most religious people believe whatever they believe because of their circle of friends and family. Then I like to ask them ...
"Ok ...you believe in God but you were born an atheist ... What made you decide to believe in God?"
Make them narrow it down to the moment they decided. Most cannot and its easy to point out the brainwashing and propaganda from family & friends.
Another good one: If there is a God ... then why did he make me an Athiest? lol
Or this one ... If there is a God, then he knows exactly what it would take for me to believe in him. So its his fault not mine that I dont believe.
And of course the classic: Religion is not real because it requires faith. Faith, by its very nature is the opposite of real. If it was real, then there would be no need for faith.
To ""The more I look at science, the more in awe of God I become."
I would say I'm glad your looking at science perhaps try looking INTO it as well, it has some credible theories on who created God!
Arn't Neuroscience Psychiatry and Biology just the bomb! fascinating stuff ey!
I might even just for a facebook page drop a oneliner like Isn't phrontistery awesome!
I have an Uncle who use to send me mass emails with bible quotes and such, sometimes just racist jokes (thats what I get for living in the south) so I changed my email address and deleted the other account.
I disagree. Facebook, and everywhere else in the virtual cyber social media world is exactly the right place to engage these ideas. The Internet is a vast arena where ideas come to do battle. These primitive, misogynistic, hateful, self-loathing ideas must be countered as often as possible. We must all do what we can to make sure that they don't go unchallenged. Young people need to see that it's OK to speak up, when Grandma says "God Hates Fags" on facebook. Join the War on Ignorance
I suspect, X, that what sustains this premise of a "soul" existing outside the living body, is the idea of magic, which of course, as any Harry Potter fan knows, defies all natural laws.
Merlins Beard! Can we leave Potter out of this? Hasnt he been through enough?
The sharpest tool in the human toolkit is (Christopher) Hitchens' Razor: that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. The whole of religion falls, promptly, once you allow yourself to wield this simple tool.
Your friends are unlikely to find this compelling, however, because it does not resonate with their dogma. That should not stop you from picking up this tool anytime it's appropriate.
You might share this link with him, and to better sharpen your toolkit, read the Sam Harris book, Letter to a Christian Nation. Sam Harris on the problem of religious moderation
I'd say be glad he's doing that. The more christians that get that way the more it shows that they are in mass retreat to science. It's a last ditch effort to justify beliefs that become more absurd every day. First comes 'well the flood story isn't real' to more and more backpedaling. The more absurdity is pointed out, they either go to lala land like this friend, or they snap out of it. Or do the first and then finally the second. Also, some people just cannot be reasoned with, the psychological benefit is too strong. As evolved as we have become currently, people still do irrational things on a day to day and minute to minute basis. A really inane example is identify faces in inanimate objects like clouds and rocks.