An army is a blunt weapon. Send it into a populated area where the enemy doesn't wear a uniform and innocents are going to die. This is happening right now in Gaza. Many people are quick to blame Israel for these deaths, calling them "unnecessary" or even "war crimes."

Lately, Israel has had to endure unguided missiles raining down on its territory. Since they are unguided, the people launching them, Hamas soldiers, aren't conducting surgical strikes. In fact, it appears they  would be happy if they hit schools, hospitals, markets, and other heavily-populated targets.

So, imagine you are Israel. Do you have another way of attempting to put a stop to the daily barrage of missiles?

This is not an invitation to criticize the creation of Israel after WW2. It's not an invitation to criticize policies you think led up to Hamas.

I'm only asking what's the alternative to sending in its troops to attempt to drive Hamas out of Gaza?

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If a bad guy is standing behind a hostage, and I shoot THROUGH the hostage to hit the bad guy, I can't really call that an accident.

Calling Gazans hostages is a bit of a stretch, since Hamas is there because the Gazans chose them over the alternatives in an election. In for a dime; in for a dollar. (Or for our people in the British sphere, "In for a penny; in for a pound.")l

Presumably, they voted Hamas in because they thought it'd be cool to fuck with Israel.


Calling Gazans hostages is a bit of a stretch...

YOU said Hamas will not let civilians get out of the way of Israeli attacks.  How do you define hostage?  Are the children complicit?

Presumably, they voted Hamas in because they thought it'd be cool to fuck with Israel.

I just remember there being a presumption that since George W was elected by the American people (debatable, btw), ALL Americans must be in favor of the Bush Doctrine and in favor of an unprovoked war of aggression against Iraq.  Also, considering the shenanigans that went down in the 2000 election here, I find it hard to believe an election in a place like Gaza could be strictly on the up and up.

"There are no Palestinians."

Whenever I see this argument I know it's time to skip reading further. The area has been know as Palestine for thousands of years, referred to it by that name since ancient Greece. Seeing as nationalism is a recent invention, and didn't really reach the middle east until after the fall of the Ottoman empire, there wasn't really a need for a national name. When the Jewish settlers came from the end of the 19th century and onwards, the local population assumed the national identity of Palestinians.   

It's especially funny seeing this argument coming from Americans, which of course is in no way a fairly recently invented people themselves...

The area has been know as Palestine for thousands of years, referred to it by that name since ancient Greece.

Well, then either there ARE no Palestinians or BOTH the local Arabs and the local Jews can claim the name "Palestinians."

To be fair, the people living i Israel are called Israelis and the people living outside Israel, but not in one of the recognized countries around it, are called Palestinians (technically inhabitants of the Palestinian Areas). The Arabs living i Israel are called Israeli Arabs. The Jews living in Palestine would be called Palestinian Jews (though I doubt that will very likely happen). 

Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon is by this reasoning also completely made up countries and peoples. 

With the exception of island or continent nations, perhaps, just about all nations are made up in one sense or another, are they not?

Even though something's made up - in the sense that it's not something that occurs through some sort of natural phenomena -  some things are still more made up than others.

The people whom called themselves Palestinians today have lived in the area since time immemorial, much like the peoples of most nations. However, they didn't really call themselves that until a bit over 100 years ago, much like most of the world didn't have, or indeed have any particular use for, national labels until fairly recently.

"Americans", on the other hand, is a completely artificial nation with absolutely no common heritage to the land they occupy, like every country in the American as well as some Oceaniac ones. However, that doesn't imply anything beyond that mere fact that they are modern inventions, and should not be construed as some sort of value statement. 

More made up. I think that falls into the territory that also embraces the "semi-virgin." Okay...

Even Native Americans aren't really "native" to the Americas. They migrated from Northeast Asia and appropriated the land just like the Europeans who came along later.

I'm a native of California, because I was born there, half of my grandparents were born in Germany, that doesn't make me half native Germany.  Their son, my Dad was born in Texas that makes him a native of Texas.

From my point of view everyone is a native of their birth location, even the Pres.

Actually thee are Palestinian Jews. They area small minority n the West bank. There are also Palestinian Christians, and Jewish and Palestinian atheists.

Whats happening in Gaza is sad. Whether you are religious or not. 

In the space of 6 months some crazy things have happened. Syria blamed for bombs, now Russia blamed for missiles now Israel bombing civilians. What next? Fall of the US Dollar?


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