An army is a blunt weapon. Send it into a populated area where the enemy doesn't wear a uniform and innocents are going to die. This is happening right now in Gaza. Many people are quick to blame Israel for these deaths, calling them "unnecessary" or even "war crimes."

Lately, Israel has had to endure unguided missiles raining down on its territory. Since they are unguided, the people launching them, Hamas soldiers, aren't conducting surgical strikes. In fact, it appears they  would be happy if they hit schools, hospitals, markets, and other heavily-populated targets.

So, imagine you are Israel. Do you have another way of attempting to put a stop to the daily barrage of missiles?

This is not an invitation to criticize the creation of Israel after WW2. It's not an invitation to criticize policies you think led up to Hamas.

I'm only asking what's the alternative to sending in its troops to attempt to drive Hamas out of Gaza?

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WTF? Where did I say, or even imply, that Hamas gets its missiles from the US? They get their missiles from Islamic countries who want to stir the pot to keep pressure on Israel in the vain hope that Israel can be obliterated.

The M-302 rocket is a Syrian-made munition that can launch a 375-pound warhead as far as 125 miles. According to Israeli media reports, the model intercepted on March 6, 2014 was an A302, which is five meters long and with a total weight of 500 kilograms. It has a range of 90 kilometers and carries a 170 kilogram warhead. (source)

"WTF? Where did I say, or even imply, that Hamas gets its missiles from the US?"

Well...Ed said this which you copy/pasted into your comment:

"Why don't we stop sending billions to Israel in the form of military equipment and financial support and just let these warring tribes work it out on their own."

Then you said:

"Oh? How do you imagine Hamas get its rockets? Do you think they have a rociket factory somewhere in Gaza?"

A reasonable inference from the juxtaposition of those two comments would be that you meant to imply the the US supplies rockets to Hamas. I don't really think you meant to imply that; that would be nonsense. I think that your point was unclear though because you were in such a hurry to be argumentative toward someone who is less pro-Israel than you.

  The rockets are not so much manufactured as hand crafted from available materials, fueled with a mix of sugar and fertilizer, (a.k.a. fire-fudge) built with tool commonly found in many auto repair shops.

The rockets are not so much manufactured as hand crafted from available materials, fueled with a mix of sugar and fertilizer, (a.k.a. fire-fudge) built with tool commonly found in many auto repair shops.

Are you talking about in Syria, where they are made?

Israel may wish to attempt sitting one out, though the danger of that is being perceived as weak in an area which pounces on weakness with voraciousness. However, the current strategy of "mowing the lawn" every other year or so doesn't particularly seem to work all that well, and its neighbors have never been more inept at mounting a challenge. 

So I guess do nothing, wait for it all to blow over, and then go on to lose the next election badly might be the only realistic alternative. Though one which, in a democracy, cannot be chosen.

@Rocky John - Are you talking about the Palestinian state Israel refuses to recognize?

I assume you mean the one that has vowed to destroy Israel?

Oh wow. A state illegally invaded and controlled by a Military power that dwarfs them , who are completely unable to get any redress by the UN because America always vetoes any resolution is pissed off at their invader. I guess those Palestinians are just completely unreasonable right?

Yesterday, Navi Pillay, the UN rights chief told an emergency session of the council on Wednesday that Israel's military actions in Gaza could amount to war crimes. 

Shortly thereafter, the 47-member council voted (and adopted) a draft resolution titled "Ensuring respect for international law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" to conduct an investigation whether Israel is indeed engaging in war crimes. Note: this was a vote just to conduct an investigation,nothing more nothing less, no military intervention, no aid, nothing: just an attempt to get some information aside from the constant propaganda barrage.

29 states voted in favour of the investigation and 17 abstained, including many EU states.  1 voted against, guess which one?

Out of interest sake, if Israel happened to be an ally of Russia instead of the US , behaving exactly the same, what is the chance it would have not been sanctioned up to it's eyeballs by now?

Will "respecting international law" somehow cause Hamas to end its war on Israel?

If not, then Israel has the right to do what it takes to survive.

Maybe Hamas could get the ball rolling by giving up all those missiles it's constantly lobbing into Israel. Or at least stop launching them from schools, hospitals, markets, and mosques, a cynical tactic they use to CAUSE the death of innocents.

One of the reasons the number of civilian casualties falls disproportionately on Gazan civilians is that Israel's main responsibility is to protect its citizens. To that end it has shelters, an alarm system, and the "iron dome" (kind of a Star Wars defense system) that intercepts many of Hamas's missiles. 

By contrast, Hamas, WANTS Gazan civilians to die because people like many of you here see the two sides as morally equivalent, by some strange logic.

Contrast that with Hamas in Gaza who actually bases its military operations in or near schools, hospitals, markets, and other potentially casualty-rich targets.

Anyway, weighting relative civilian casualties is a fallacious way of comparing Israel and Hamas.

The issue was never “proportionality”; it is the suffering and dying of too many Arabs and Jews. And while there is much that is complicated about the Middle East, ending the violence in Gaza is not complicated. Hamas needs to halt the missile attacks and provide credible assurances to Israel and the world that they will not be resumed. If the rockets stop, quiet can come tomorrow. And tomorrow is not soon enough. (source)

Unseen, exactly where can Hamas base itself in the Gaza strip where it is not near civilians? Gaza is one of the most overcrowded places on earth. Almost two million people are crammed into a strip of land just 25 miles long and between three and a half and seven miles wide( often in refugee camp type situations)  – roughly the same size as the Isle of Wight. In general there are few opportunities to leave; and in the midst of a conflict such as this, there is no exit.


Israel, meanwhile, does not have an unblemished record in the use of human shields. In 2010, two soldiers were convicted in an IDF military court of using an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield in its 2008-09 operation in Gaza. The pair ordered the child to search bags they suspected of being booby-trapped.

It was the first conviction of what is known within the IDF as the "neighbor procedure" – forcing civilians to assist troops in military operations. Investigations by news organisations and human rights groups have suggested the IDF has used Palestinians as human shields in operations in both Gaza and the West Bank."

"Gaza is one of the most overcrowded places on earth."

This is a popular pro-Palestinian canard. Let's make some neutral comparisons of thousands of citizens per m2 to other cities (as Gaza is, essentially, a city statelet): 

Paris: 21,2
Cairo: 18,1
Athens: 16,8
Gaza city: 10,2
Tel Aviv: 7,6
Jerusalem: 6,4
London: 5,4
Gaza-strip: 5,0

See also wiki's list and a map of the population density:

Obviously, every Gazan counts for four Parisians. 

But, to be fair, population density in some of those places is accounted for by the verticality of the dwellings. Of course, at the same time, a missile hitting a high-rise apartment tower could easily kill a huge number of people.


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