NOTE: This thread does not flame against Atheism, but it does criticise it. It displays my definition of Atheism which seems to be not for the general public. If you can't deal with criticism towards Atheism you are in the wrong discussion.

Additionally the fear of extremism is directly linked to very seemingly possible distant futures NOT THE NEXT 2 YEARS.




First of all I would like to say I am mostly against all sorts of organized religions, but in fact I am agnostic. (meaning I dont admit defeat to any superpower untill there is enough evidence to support it)


In my opnion there is a big issue that does not tend to be adressed with religion in the right way. People always complain about how close minded religion really is and that most of their followers are just blindly pusuing the herd. Though how much "better" is atheism really?


Atheism is by my language's definition a religion itself. The translated definition of religion in German and Dutch state that a belief turns into a religion once the belief itself sets an definition of how the world works.


People think atheism is about the "we dont know" factor, but it is not. Atheism preeches the "We know YOU are wrong" factor.


I absolutely agree with the fact that atheism not being an organized religion (yet) gives it a higher level logical acceptance, but where is it going?


Atheism used to be the outcast lunatics hanged to death. Now there are groups forming all over the world  with "logical leaders" behind it. I honestly think atheistm is goign in the same direction as all other religions are going right now. How far do you think you are of having atheism's jehovas whitnesses at your door? I have listened to my lesser educated/informed friends rampage about religion after having seen one biased documentary (Religulous). They were making statements such as, "I am gonna kill all those who believe in religion" etc. This is nothing more than atheist extremism. Even on this webiste it seems that some topics are purely places here ase a response to rage/anger against religious people.


This brings you to the discussion that  should be here, maybe even istead of this entire website (not hating at the website, this place is great), "Are we too unintelligent?"


The reason people follow blindly what is set right infront of them is because they are uninformed and scared of complecated explanations that undermine the value of their own existence in this universe.


Religion is part of the problem, but education is in an infinitely worse state.


(Again I am not hating at atheism, as I am far more happy with it that even Buddism, but merely pointing out a more pressing issue. Next year Ill be attending univesity where I hope to find more who have brought themselves up to date with the real issues)


*EDIT: removed the word absolute from the definition of atheism, this is not correct.

*EDITEDIT:Updated description

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I honestly don't understand your first two points.

Regarding the third, I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, but putting your observation in context. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

And finally, that's all well and good, but you don't have to define Atheism as a religion to make that point. Yeah, people are dumb. Nothing new there.
Einstein was not a believer - he used the word "god" in the way atheist Stephen Hawking does.
The difference (for me at least) is that religion requires someone to tell someone else what to believe. I realized that no gods are real when studying anchient Greek mythology in school. I thought, how is Jesus any different from Zeus, or thor, or Mohammad for that matter? After I figured out the truth, then I found out about what atheism was and happened to agree with it, I didn't devote myself to it's cause.

Oh come on Thor is real- they just made a documentary/movie on him-

The Passion of Thor

Most famous line from movie:

-You think he's Thor?

-Oh yes he's Thor alright, but you should see how she feels...

I agree, all religions versus atheism are like that. Religions push, atheisms roams more free, but for how long do you think this is. Now already is science the only thing atheists argue with against religious people. Isn't atheism really telling you to believe in science by there not being anything else?

Science doesn't compete with religion. Science uses experimentation and critical thinking to gain a better understanding of our universe. But the scientific method can be applied to religion. If a religious claim doesn't stand up to experiment then it must be thrown out just like any other claim. Does god heal? Does god answer prayers? These questions only have one answer. The only way to validate these claims is to apply them; if they don't produce consistent results then they can't be considered accurate claims.

Science is constantly evolving and changing. As we conduct experiments in the lab and make new discoveries they must go through the peer review process before being accepted by the community. When was the last time a religious belief underwent such scrutiny? In religion people agree to disagree, but in science the theory with the most evidence and predictive power gains acceptance. There is no belief involved because we meticulously record the results of the experiment and other scientists have unsuccessfully tried to discredit the theory. Atheism tells people to use the scientific method and critical thinking when evaluating a religious belief and that is what discredits religion.

Science is not a belief. It is a process of discovery. Inch by slow inch, we have found out some of how the universe works, no dieties needed.

"Atheisms roam more free"???? I won't pretend to know what that means- I'll guess that now after the Inquisition and the "Enlightenment", not to mention laws, we (atheists) can't be arbitrarily be mudered or tortured for speaking out and demanding evidence- yeah Freedom!!!

It's not an argument about Science vs. Religion. It's about Reality vs. Superstition. Facts vs. Fantasy.

What do you mean "there not being anything else"? 

What about knowledge, learning, love, happiness, friends, cannabis, art, music, discovery, sex, food, travel, hobbies, philosophy, etc etc...the list can on and on of just "anything else" plus the science behind all of that- so much to learn, do, and care about.


Science need never be brought up in a conversation about religion to show the proofs of how irrational, unorganized, and untrue these systems of beliefs are. They are self-contradictory enough on their own. Rational thought and a the tiniest amount of skepticism is all that is needed to shred any argument put forth by believers.

 The harder part is keeping a straight face while listening to a fellow adult citizen of the world say the most incredulous statements as ABSOLUTE facts.


freedom of mind is what it refers to. I really thought that was clear. My bad.


facts vs fantasy? Science is fantasy in it being fantasy to begin with that just ended up being proven true.


 I do not believe in any of the gods of history. Is there a true god? I don't care. How does that make me part of a religion?

Atheism isn’t a religion or an alternative to religion. Atheism is an outgrowth of mystical beliefs. When we analyze the evidence we realize that it is impossible to have a personal god. Religious texts offer many promises, but none of them are consistently fulfilled- atheism is the acceptance of this fact. The only thing atheists have in common is a rejection of invalidated religious dogma. There are no universal morals or customs that the entire atheist community follows. So atheism doesn’t fit into your definition of religion.

Another major difference between religious belief and atheism is that an atheist is willing to change their position when confronted with verifiable evidence. There is no evidence that can change the mind of a religious person because they have been taught to have blind faith despite the evidence. Most religious people refuse to question their beliefs and ignore any evidence that refutes them. How can someone become educated when they deny everything that contradicts their beliefs?

Education is essential and the only way to grow as a person is to expand our knowledge. We must test our beliefs and modify the ones that don’t stand up to scrutiny. The atheist community is becoming more united, but the message we speak of is skepticism and rational inquiry. Most atheists want to have rational conversations based on evidence and if a claim can’t be supported then it is useless. This doesn’t sound like religion. The only reason atheism is lumped in with the other “belief systems” is because it denies them. If this were the case alchemy and chemistry would be equally valid and astrology would be a comparable discipline to astronomy. Chemistry and astronomy evolved out of these mystical practices- atheism is an outgrowth of religion’s mystical explanations.

A solid statement, I could agrue you but it would come down to merely the differnece in our way of defining the word religion.


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