I am really sorry if this has been posted before.

 

If you knew me in person, you would know I love getting into discussions with people about religion. One of the questions that seems to keep coming into the discussion loop is Jesus.

 

So I was at a social gathering the other night at a restaurant and I dropped my silverware and out of habit I said "Jesus Christ!" And a random girl that was a friend of a friend said, "Don't use the Lords name in vain."

 

So obviously we got into a debate.

 

I brought up the point in the discussion that Jesus never existed. Well everyone looked at me like i was off the wall insane...

 

At that point the discussion just turned into incoherent ramblings and Grrrr... So frustrating that people base their whole life on hearsay! Simply dumbfounding!!!

 

Help me feel better... seriously.

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anyway,

Yeshua ben Yoseph means= Jesus the son of Joseph



Isa is the Arabic name of Greek Esau and Yesua is the Arabic name of the Hebrew Yeshua.
In both cases, these names mean survive and salvation..

Isa=Esau-------> Muslim Jesus
Yesua=Yeshua ------>Christian Jesus


Yesua of the Nazareth = Isa ben Maryam -> this dose not make any sense.

 

There is nothing much funnier than having egyptians friends :)

I mean they have the sense of humor.

I do not think there was no Jesus - I know there was no Jesus - for a full discussion read a book called The Pagan Christ by Tom Harpur - he is in Wikipedia - an  ex christian -  a former Anglican priest no less and Professor of New Testament and New Testament Greek- you will see Jesus is a fanciful creation of 3rd century christians trying to sell their religion to the masses who were having a hard time relating to an inner christ so they invented a outer one - a man to fulfill the role, mixed in a bit of sun god religion - light of the world - all that stuff and there you are - son of god etc etc - I cannot be bothered to read the bible in the depth needed to follow Harpur's discussion about Paul's writings - but apparently Paul never did once refer to christ as a man in his teachings but only as a concept because Paul writings were before Jesus as a man was invented - in any event the whole christian "story" is a recapitulation of an ancient egyptian teaching dating back to 5000 BC - virgin birth,son of god, star at night,  3 wise men - the whole nine yards - let them pinch a pagan festival celebrating winter and there you are - christmas as well

 

Ian

 

 

Nobody knows for sure if Jesus existed or not.  It's a matter of opinion.  People marshal facts to support their arguments but, in the end, it's just a matter of opinion.

Personally, I started off thinking that Jesus might well be a myth.  But after debates, here on T|A, I changed my mind.  I think there was an actual person behind the myth.  How much else is factual, I don't know . . . except for the miracles, of course.
But surely the existence of someone so crucial to a faith shouldn't be simply a matter of opinion. He either did or he didn't and no one has offered any credible evidence that he did. I've heard many say, including Richard Dawkins, that he "probably" existed but that means nothing. If he did exist and was the messiah then the evidence would be overwhelming wouldn't it? If he existed as a man and was simply one of the many evangelists around at that time then the lack of evidence would be what one would expect.

Yes, I agree, Peter,

You're describing an issue that lacks persuasive evidence.  People can either agree, disagree or abstain.  Good luck proving ANY particular argument . . . or that anybody else is wrong.

Paul the apostle seemed to think that Jesus was a spirit that lived in the unseen spiritual world and never once set foot on earth, instead communicated through dreams and visions. He died and resurrected all in a spiritual state. He would have known that Jesus was a person if he was indeed a person.

Well said, that's  exactly what I was going to say!

Minus the fact that nothing in Paul's letters make that case.
It is nearly impossible to prove ANYTHING from history ever existed/happened. That is the major problem with history. While there are some pretty damning arguments against Jesus ever existing trying to prove it is like trying to prove God doesn't exist. Impossible. You can't prove something doesn't (or in this case, didn't) exist.

True. I can't prove something didn't happen based solely on the written word.  But I can ask questions concerning the event.

 

If Homer tells me there was a real man named Jason who sailed the Mediterranean, I don't have any reason to disbelieve that.  If he tells me that a race of one eyed Cyclops existed, I might ask to see a fossil with a big hole where the eye should be.

 

If someone tells me that Jesus appeared in the midst of the disciples, but one disciple was missing, so he visited that disciple a week later, I can ask what Jesus did for the week in between.  Who was he seen by?  Why aren't the bible writers telling me all about it?  Is Jesus evangelizing? healing people? teaching the disciples? This is a dead man walking.  The people should be dancing in the streets (or maybe kneeling in prayer). They should be shouting it from the rooftops.

I think that Jesus could be an invention.

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