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Permalink Reply by Spencer on February 27, 2011 at 3:39am

Probably not, I think, but I theorize that if Jesus did exist, it was more likely to be a series of people following a similar discipline rather than one man; that would explain the silliness of resurrection: It's simply someone else.

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Permalink Reply by Kirk Holden on February 27, 2011 at 8:06am

Yeshua ben Yoseph and some signifigant population of terrorist in the time of teh Jesus were conducting an intafada against Hellenistic Syria. Sounds like everyday in the Levant for 2.4 million years of heavy traffic by the Homo X species.

 

This dude was likely stoned in the street and eaten by wild dogs at the dump. His last words were something like "don't cast that stone, you will get one in the forehead later if you keep this up." That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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Permalink Reply by Hope on February 27, 2011 at 9:08am

anyway,

Yeshua ben Yoseph means= Jesus the son of Joseph



Isa is the Arabic name of Greek Esau and Yesua is the Arabic name of the Hebrew Yeshua.
In both cases, these names mean survive and salvation..

Isa=Esau-------> Muslim Jesus
Yesua=Yeshua ------>Christian Jesus

Yesua of the Nazareth = Isa ben Maryam -> this dose not make any sense.

 

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Permalink Reply by Hope on February 27, 2011 at 9:54am

There is nothing much funnier than having egyptians friends :)

I mean they have the sense of humor.

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Permalink Reply by Dallas the Phallus on February 27, 2011 at 5:17pm

There is no credible evidence - end of story.

 

My sentiments exactly.

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Permalink Reply by keltik on February 27, 2011 at 10:35pm

I do not think there was no Jesus - I know there was no Jesus - for a full discussion read a book called The Pagan Christ by Tom Harpur - he is in Wikipedia - an  ex christian -  a former Anglican priest no less and Professor of New Testament and New Testament Greek- you will see Jesus is a fanciful creation of 3rd century christians trying to sell their religion to the masses who were having a hard time relating to an inner christ so they invented a outer one - a man to fulfill the role, mixed in a bit of sun god religion - light of the world - all that stuff and there you are - son of god etc etc - I cannot be bothered to read the bible in the depth needed to follow Harpur's discussion about Paul's writings - but apparently Paul never did once refer to christ as a man in his teachings but only as a concept because Paul writings were before Jesus as a man was invented - in any event the whole christian "story" is a recapitulation of an ancient egyptian teaching dating back to 5000 BC - virgin birth,son of god, star at night,  3 wise men - the whole nine yards - let them pinch a pagan festival celebrating winter and there you are - christmas as well

 

Ian

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Atheist Exile on February 28, 2011 at 1:54am

Nobody knows for sure if Jesus existed or not.  It's a matter of opinion.  People marshal facts to support their arguments but, in the end, it's just a matter of opinion.

Personally, I started off thinking that Jesus might well be a myth.  But after debates, here on T|A, I changed my mind.  I think there was an actual person behind the myth.  How much else is factual, I don't know . . . except for the miracles, of course.

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Permalink Reply by Peter Metcalfe on February 28, 2011 at 3:16am

But surely the existence of someone so crucial to a faith shouldn't be simply a matter of opinion. He either did or he didn't and no one has offered any credible evidence that he did. I've heard many say, including Richard Dawkins, that he "probably" existed but that means nothing. If he did exist and was the messiah then the evidence would be overwhelming wouldn't it? If he existed as a man and was simply one of the many evangelists around at that time then the lack of evidence would be what one would expect.

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Permalink Reply by Atheist Exile on February 28, 2011 at 4:27am

Yes, I agree, Peter,

You're describing an issue that lacks persuasive evidence.  People can either agree, disagree or abstain.  Good luck proving ANY particular argument . . . or that anybody else is wrong.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Strange on February 28, 2011 at 6:08am

Paul the apostle seemed to think that Jesus was a spirit that lived in the unseen spiritual world and never once set foot on earth, instead communicated through dreams and visions. He died and resurrected all in a spiritual state. He would have known that Jesus was a person if he was indeed a person.

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Permalink Reply by Hope on February 28, 2011 at 6:14am

Well said, that's  exactly what I was going to say!

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Permalink Reply by Kenneth Montville D.D. on February 28, 2011 at 6:59am

Minus the fact that nothing in Paul's letters make that case.

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