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Permalink Reply by Rev. James Thomas Hicks, D.D. on December 8, 2009 at 10:24am

What is wrong with it?

Permalink Reply by James A on December 8, 2009 at 8:04pm

Do you have anything besides "I say so"?

Permalink Reply by Rev. James Thomas Hicks, D.D. on December 8, 2009 at 10:22am

Bulls-eye

Permalink Reply by Alphamatic on December 8, 2009 at 10:26am

Are you afraid of the truth about the Catholic Church views on Athesism and Heaven, Alphamatic?No, because I have studied it. And what you post here is in no way related to the catholic church. You spread lies in a forum - that's all you do.
If there is something you want to discuss then use your own words and do not paste tons of wrong material. Nobody can have a serious discussion based on this.
I would hope that you at least acknowledge that the view of the Pope's and the Vatican council are more important in this matter than your opinion.
Why? I don't understand you... Use simple language.
If the Pope says that Atheists are sinners and cannot get into heaven then his view is more important than your interpretation.The pope never said Atheists can not come to heaven. That's just one of the lies you are trying to spread.

Permalink Reply by Alphamatic on December 8, 2009 at 10:34am

Why should I call him a liar?

Permalink Reply by Dave G on December 8, 2009 at 10:55am

I can't tell if there is a language problem, or if you are being deliberately obtuse.

"That there is only One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church we are compelled by faith to believe and hold, and we firmly believe in her and sincerely confess her, outside of whom there is neither salvation nor remission of sins.....Furthermore we declare, state and define that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of all human beings that they submit to the Roman Pontiff." - POPE BONIFACE VIII Unam Sanctam

So, submission to the Roman Pontiff is absolutely necessary for salvation. Atheists do not submit, therefore atheists cannot attain salvation.

Permalink Reply by Alphamatic on December 8, 2009 at 10:58am

that's a document from 1303 I think. I am talking about the teaching from today. The church does not teach that atheists will go to hell.

Permalink Reply by Dave G on December 8, 2009 at 11:02am

I thought the Popes were infallible? Did atheists in 1303 all go to hell, but God changed his mind?

Permalink Reply by Dave G on December 8, 2009 at 11:20am

According to his profile, he's 19-24 years old, so I'd say no, he was not alive during Vatican II, Jeff.

Permalink Reply by Alphamatic on December 8, 2009 at 11:21am

No, I wasn't. Should I?
But don't worry, I try to learn as much about it as possible.

Permalink Reply by Alphamatic on December 8, 2009 at 11:23am

No.

Permalink Reply by Rev. James Thomas Hicks, D.D. on December 8, 2009 at 11:30am

Well, don't take all this in one sittin'. If you need more time to research this we'll understand. We didn't learn all this in a day with google. Some of us have studied this for a long time. We know a lot when it comes to Vatican Law & its history.

I didn't study to belittle other Catholics, I studied because it is human history, regardless of its "facts" or "truths". It is apart of us. I just choose to see what is in front of me than to believe in somethin'. And I believe what the links we have posted from the Vatican for what they speak on behalf of all Catholics, because it's right there in front of me.

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