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Permalink Reply by Eddie Wetzler on July 11, 2011 at 1:31pm

I realize it may sound like I'm basing my existence on my sexuality, but that's just emphasis for the sake of this discussion. I'm fine and healthy thank you, although that's something I've had to work for in a way that heterosexuals probably can't understand.

Again though, the fact that this discussion is even going on is at my, and other gay people's expense. I'll never silence the discussion, but boy am I tired of it. You're never going to encourage closeted people to come out with a conversation like this. The simple "why are they the way they are" question is inherently opposed to open acceptance. If you really didn't care, really wanted the world to be a welcoming place for all, you wouldn't even be asking the question to begin with.

I suppose some good could come from this, in that someone who thinks that there's a choice, or that we were made this way by indifferent daddies and overbearing mommies could have their mind opened and changed. Beyond that, we're not going to solve anything here, and I for one would prefer this conversation be saved for behind closed doors/straights only dinner parties. Like we do when we talk about you ;)

Permalink Reply by Jean Clelland-Morin on July 11, 2011 at 5:17pm

Hi Eddie. Please read my comment. Jean

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Permalink Reply by Eddie Wetzler on July 11, 2011 at 9:26pm

The story about your friend Lucy? Yes I read it earlier when I was first going through the discussion. I agree that there are a spectrum of possibilities where people can find themselves, however the matter of choice is a different issue.

Who knows, maybe there are more than one way to make a Gay. I fully believe I was born this way, for whatever reason, and I guess get a little prickly at curious straights trying to figure me/us out.

I really didn't expect to be having a conversation about this topic on an Atheist website. I thought we were here to rid the world of religion so we could all live in peace and sanity! :)

Permalink Reply by Jean Clelland-Morin on July 12, 2011 at 3:51am

Hi Eddie. Yes we need to rid the world of the religious holier-than-thou. Isn't this the mentality that has caused the persecution of homosexual?. Why is choice "another issue"? It is THE issue. Personal choice is just that, your choice and not the business of others. Why does it make any difference if you were born "that way"? I'm saying maybe we are all born to choose and don't realize the factors that eventually make us whom we are. The discussion keeps getting in the way of the right to choose! I don't give a rat's behind about hormones or genes or whatever. Personal choice is THE issue!

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Permalink Reply by Eddie Wetzler on July 12, 2011 at 1:51pm

The issue with choice is, once you suggest there is one, then someone will suggest that we simply make a different choice (ie; be straight, don't be gay).  Allowing that there is choice in the matter of gives credence to all the people out there who don't like us, don't want us, and think we can be fixed.

There is choice of course, in how people across the spectrum of sexuality choose to act on their drives and instincts, but that is completely different than what makes a person gay in the first place. 

Your story says to me not that you chose to feel a "spark" from the friend, but that once you did, you were in a position to choose/decide how to act in light of it.

The initial feeling you got from the touch seems to me to be just part of you, and where you might be in the spectrum. That, I believe is how you we're born.  

Permalink Reply by Arcus on July 12, 2011 at 2:58pm

The difference from claiming biological is that DNA therapy and medicine could easily rid the world of homosexuals if it were ever considered a disease again. And there are plenty of religious governments who wouldn't mind that... What would the Christian Right do if homosexuality was medically treatable?

Much more difficult to eradicate if it is a personal conviction, an unfree subconscious choice. Like strict adherents to Jainism. There's nothing wrong in being a convinced Jainist, it's even inspirational to those who don't share the belief and practices.

Permalink Reply by Reggie on July 10, 2011 at 9:55am

I did try posting an identical new discussion on the subject of 'heterosexuality - biological or psychological' and whether but this got moderated. Equality must give way to forum tidiness apparently.

 

I thought it was brilliant and reposted it from my email.

 

I don't know why it would be moderated, but I thought it had just as much merit, if not more, to stand as a discussion.

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Permalink Reply by Lord Gaytheist on July 10, 2011 at 8:20am

I believe homosexuality cannot explained by pure genetics, cos if so then how are those genes going from generation to generation. Support to this theory can come from the fact that in the past century, homosexuals were forced to marry and procreate, meaning that the genes were being transmitted. But this begs another question : As gays gain more recognition and become less and less forced to marry and have kids, will that mean the 'gay gene' will slowly disappear?

 

I tend to support the theory of genetic predisposition with environmental factors leading a person to be homosexual. 

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Permalink Reply by Kairan Nierde on October 14, 2011 at 3:25am

Dear Lord, what if spawning queer kids is just a potential capability of all humans?  Then, we'd all have Teh Geh!!!  

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Permalink Reply by Neko_74 on July 10, 2011 at 8:54am

I've read the other's replies and I agree with most of them. I myself support the biological explanation (let's not forget that homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom as well), which is probably the best explanation but it can occur due to psycological effect as well.

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Permalink Reply by Peter Metcalfe on July 10, 2011 at 8:57am

Nature is not perfect. Before modern day science any creature born with a defect would generally not survive. Homosexuals in the human and animal kingdom meant that that line would simply die out suggesting it's biological which in some homosexuals and lesbians is plainly obvious by the way they look and speak whereas in others, like Rock Hudson, it is not obvious so there maybe another reason.

 

For me though it is a genetic fault which in days gone by, when it was in full control, nature had a way of dealing with it.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Lewis on July 10, 2011 at 10:34am

Arcus, Several of your points are flawed. A gene that is identified (still more study to be done)as a Gay Gene has been found. Social economic, environment, etc have absolutely no effect of your being six feet tall, or having brown eyes any more than they do on your sexual identity. As for us not reproducing, you simply have been convinced of the Church's cosmic bullsh@# that homosexuals, recruit,train and convert heterosexuals to become Gay. Staggering stupid, convincingly proven by the fact that nature is filled with examples of mammals and birds exhibiting same sex relations. Last, science has proven (look it up), that the more children a family has, four I believe), increases the probability that one of the latter children will be gay, as well as other studies regarding twin gay siblings. It is more likely that two gay parents will produce a Duck, than a Gay child. Please do not take any of this as a personal criticism, I merely wanted to bring some facts to the table.

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