Disclaimer: I should say I am not a psychologist or biologist, though I have a few college level courses in the prior which probably color my view. In addition, I am not sexually a homosexual and have no personal experience with that aspect of it, though it piques my intellectual interest. Also, I am European (this is apparently a synonym to many).

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Question: Do you tend to support a psychological or a biological explanation to why some people are homosexuals? Do you have a "pure" or a "mixed" view of the two, and why?

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My opinion: I tend to support the psychological explanation of sexuality due to it being more parsimonious. Being "born" a homosexual doesn't immediately ring clear as a biological explanation requires a number of a priori assumptions of future state of the social environment as one grows up. Two people of the same sex cannot biologically reproduce and thus face extinction. Becoming a homosexual through the psychosocial environment is to me a simpler explanation as this would imply it being either a learned behavior, which may account for homosexual couples having a higher probability of raising a homosexual child, or as a response to other environmental factors such as sexual competition.

I'll stop explaining here and rather see where the discussion goes off to.

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(Two notes to add: I don't think homosexuality should be treated even if it is "treatable". It is no more a condition than preferring beer over vodka. Also, I tend to support a twin explanation of both inherited and environmental causes, though with the latter overwhelmingly more explanatory, i.e. 90%)

 

 

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I'm sure this happens.  One party is experimenting, desperate, or gets taken advatage of--and the other party doesn't give a crap.  There are sexual predators in every community.  Don't tell me there aren't thousands of heterosexual men who fantasize about having sex with a lesbian, be she lonely, insecure, or possibly less than willing (it's not like it's a cliched porno theme or anything).

 

As for these encounters changing one's sexual orientation...even in cases where a horny or emotional vulnerable heterosexual male has sex with a homosexual male, this doesn't necessarily "convert" or "turn" the heterosexual into a homosexual.  It might make him more kinky, show him exactly what he doesn't want, turn him into a giant homophobe, or it could be the experience that helps him realize he has been repressing his true or whole sexuality.

 

I think these types of encounters happen a lot less often than you worry...there's a hell of a lot of risk in it for both parties.  A good way to get beaten up is to flirt with the wrong straight person!

So, when did you decide to be heterosexual?
Not really a decision.
I decided sometime around age 6 or 7.  Alas, I am still attracted to women.

I saw this in my email and I think it is the perfect response.

 

Jared Czechen started the discussion "Heterosexuality - bioligical or psychological?" on Think Atheist

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Disclaimer: I should say I am not a psychologist or biologist, though I have a few college level courses in the former which probably colour my view. In addition, I am not sexually a heterosexual and have no personal experience with that aspect of it, though it piques my intellectual interest. Also, I am European (this is apparently a synonym to many).
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Question: Do you tend to support a psychological or a biological explanation to why some people are heteorosexuals? Do you have a "pure" or a "mixed" view of the two, and why?
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My opinion: I tend to support the psychological explanation of sexuality due to it being more parsimonious. Being "born" a heterosexual doesn't immediately ring clear as a biological explanation requires a number of a priori assumptions of future state of the social environment as one grows up. Two people of the opposite sex cannot do interior design and thus face extinction. Becoming a heterosexual through the psychosocial environment is to me a simpler explanation as this would imply it being either a learned behavior, which may account for heterosexual couples having a higher probability of raising a heterosexual child, or as a response to other environmental factors such as sexual competition.
I'll stop explaining here and rather see where the discussion goes off to.
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(Two notes to add: I don't think heterosexuality should be treated even if it is "treatable". It is no more a condition than preferring beer over vodka. Also, I tend to support a twin explanation of both inherited and environmental causes, though with the latter overwhelmingly more explanatory, i.e. 90%)
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Reggie-  the plagiarism buster 1   Arcus  0  

 

 

 

 

Christ on a bike Arcus!! WTF? lol
God knows. ;)

Arcus ... is down syndrome a choice?  Is being born with no limbs a choice?  Is being born a midget a choice?  

 

Is being born a male without a penis a choice?  Or being born without the ability to produce fertile sperm or a woman born with the inability to give birth to a child?  

 

Some of these are obviously visual to anyone to see.  Being Gay is not directly visible ... as seeing someone with no limbs is.  

 

So I posit this question.  Why should being homosexual be any different than the above?  The above also seem to have no evolutionary positives in so much as you may suggest biological adaptations are merely all sexually related , which they are not.  

 

Also , gay men can still reproduce quite easily ... they just have to have sex with a woman , just like a straight male.  Many gay men have chosen the lifestyle of marrying a woman and having a family.  Being born without a penis makes it quite impossible to reproduce ... so that must also be a choice , yes?  

 

I think it's a mix.  I think the degree in which a gay man flaunts their gayness is social and psychological , but when they look at another male and their heart starts beating faster and they want so badly to voraciously rip their clothes off and have their way with them ... how can this be learned behavior?  It seems to go against the grain of social norms ... 

 

Just some thoughts ... hope you followed them well enough.  

Not quite sure if you are aligned with science. Homosexuality is generally regarded as belonging to the behavioral sciences and there isn't too much biological proof (vs psychological).

There is clearly a substantial psychological component and I did not discount fully a biological "push". However, the question to biologists becomes: Why? Why would biology produce homosexuals? And why is it wrong if it is psychological?

This is an argument from scientific ignorance. 

Downs syndrome babies are born in the same proportion in every population but have no genetic advantage.  No scientist doubts that this syndrome is genetic.  While these children are capable of mating they generally do not.

 

If you want to inform yourself of the current understanding of the various ways in which homosexual preference is determined (which leads to homosexual behavior after puberty) then do a Google search for "homosexuality innate" - and check out the science based stuff in preference to the religious based stuff. 

precisely MY question , but I am replacing 'homosexuality' with 'Down Syndrome' , 'Born without a penis' , 'Born a midget' ... 

 

I think it's kind of pointless to ask 'why' biology produce this!  A better question to ask is 'How' does Biological adaptations cause this!  Why would you assume biological adaptations are always for the reproduction of a species?  It's random genetic mutations but with natural selection.  A tiny % of mutations that relate to attraction to the same sex to me at least , doesn't make the question of 'why' a legitimate or even thought worthy question.  What positive reproductive effects does any other mutation have in biological terms?  

 

 

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