I have been doin a lot of reading as one of the things christians love to say if you point to the violance in the OT is "well look at Hitler and Stalin they wer Atheists , How many people did they murder?"

I never knew what to say to this, now after doing some reading including the Mein Kampf, reading the Richskonkordat, the contract with the Catholic church that Hitler signed and looking at his history, Hitler was very religious. 

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm  

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Interesting links to look at, what do you think about Hitler and religion and that Christians say he was an Atheist?

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Naturally, whenever Hitler's Christianity is laid bare, some Christian apologist will compound moral cowardice with intellectual dishonesty by employing the 'No true Scotsman' fallacy.

Fascism first appeared in force in the two most "catholicky" nations. And of course Emperor Hirohito was an "Arahitogami":an incarnate divinity.

Hitler's fanatical national socialism was opposed in principle to Stalin's atheistic communism thus it seems to me Hitler was opposed to atheism for tactical reasons as well as ideological. He had a fucked up view of natural selection and viewed Christianity as a religion for the weak but this doesn't negate the fact that he was still a Christian until his demise. He used the religion for power as he had the backing of the German Catholic church. 

In one 1933 speech, he said that "To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk." In another he said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." Also in a letter to one of his generals he said ""I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so".

Whatever he was, it's as plain as day that he wasn't an atheist.

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Stalin had hymns composed in his name so the peasants could sing his praises. He made artists paint pictures glorifying him like a saint. He wore white suits so he would stand out in crowds. Poets and novelists were made to write about his glory to the point where some committed suicide or fled the country. 

I don't believe in religions of state or cults of personality any more than I believe in gods who live in the sky, and for the same reason: they are all variations of the same kind of totalitarianism.

 

Hymn to Stalin

Thank you, Stalin.
Thank you because I am joyful.
Thank you because I am well.

No matter how old I become, I shall never forget how we received Stalin two days ago. Centuries will pass, and the generations still to come will regard us as the happiest of mortals, as the most fortunate of men, because we lived in the century of centuries, because we were privileged to see Stalin, our inspired leader. Yes, and we regard ourselves as the happiest of mortals because we are the contemporaries of a man who never had an equal in world history.

The men of all ages will call on thy name, which is strong, beautiful, wise and marvelous. Thy name is engraven on every factory, every machine, every place on the earth, and in the hearts of all men.

Every time I have found myself in his presence I have been subjugated by his strength, his charm, his grandeur. I have experienced a great desire to sing, to cry out, to shout with joy and happiness. And now see me--me!--on the same platform where the Great Stalin stood a year ago. In what country, in what part of the world could such a thing happen.

I write books. I am an author. All thanks to thee, O great educator, Stalin. I love a young woman with a renewed love and shall perpetuate myself in my children--all thanks to thee, great educator, Stalin. I shall be eternally happy and joyous, all thanks to thee, great educator, Stalin. Everything belongs to thee, chief of our great country. And when the woman I love presents me with a child the first word it shall utter will be : Stalin.

O great Stalin, O leader of the peoples,
Thou who broughtest man to birth.
Thou who fructifies the earth,
Thou who restorest to centuries,
Thou who makest bloom the spring,
Thou who makest vibrate the musical chords...
Thou, splendour of my spring, O thou,
Sun reflected by millions of hearts.

So not an atheist.  An egotheist.  (where do you get this vile stuff?)

where do you get this vile stuff?

The Guardian, a fine British newspaper, actually published the text of a speech given by Nikita Khushchev in 1956. During that speech Khushchev condemned the cult of personality surrounding Stalin and stated "it is impermissible and foreign to the spirit of Marxism-Leninism to elevate one person, to transform him into a superman possessing supernatural characteristics, akin to those of a god. Such a man supposedly knows everything, sees everything, thinks for everyone, can do anything, is infallible in his behaviour."  

Mao Zedong did essentially the same thing in China, although to date there has been no official condemnation that I am aware of. 

These men didn't behave as they did because they were atheists; they did so because, as Khushchev observed, they used their unchecked power to assume superhuman status and become god-like figures themselves. 

very interesting. So he saw himself as pretty much a god

I would say more as an instrument of god.

Hitler used Christianity as it was intended for from its creation. It is still used in this same Manor today around the world.

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My answer would have to be: ja-ein. Or to translate, "no, yeah." Because I think that national political leaders often are personally atheist or agnostic but use religion as a political tool. I would imagine that Hitler was a psychopath and due to the policies he instated, he probably saw himself as god-like. Yet, as others have provided, his public stance on religion was that it should be part of the Third Reich. I have no direct evidence of his private beliefs to support my view.

"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?"
-- Adolph Hitler --

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people."
-- Adolf Hitler --
(April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933.)

"I trust God speaks through me."
-- George W. Bush --
(Oops! How did that get in there --?)


It really doesn't matter in terms of debate, Jorita - no one claims atheists to be perfect - I have no doubt there are atheist serial killers, as well as Christian ones. But if one wants to debate the subject, religion has been the cause of more human death and misery than any natural cause, one has only to look at the Old Testament genocides and the European Dark Ages to verify that.

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