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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on October 13, 2012 at 3:37pm

One of the finest men I ever knew was a Methodist minister as well - he drove a 15-mile round trip at 6:30 in the AM, to officiate at my first wedding, as I preferred to be married in a park, rather than a church. He literally built his own church, brick by brick, working six days a week, as his Bible told him to do, and upon it's completion, the god he followed so faithfully all of his life, rewarded him with a slow death by cancer.

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on October 13, 2012 at 3:54pm

Sounds like a nice guy.  He may have died of cancer, but he probably didn't regret his life, and IF there's an afterlife, he's happy now. 

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Permalink Reply by Michael on October 13, 2012 at 8:09am

Here to correct others misunderstandings but will not accept the correction of your own misunderstandings regarding evolution and geology.

The earth is less then 10,000 years old? This is beyond ignorance and does not reflect well on your credibility. There is literally no evidence to suggest the earth is that young. It is impossible. The very existence of such diversity on earth refutes that position. Hell, there is a colony of trees in Utah older than that.

I am sure any "correction" that you will make will be rationalizations and the extreme mental gymnastics so common amongst apologists. Just as I used to do while in seminary. Good luck to you.

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on October 13, 2012 at 8:23am

But there's "believing a load of bullshit" and "behaving properly", and they are two separate things.  So far Israel has proved he knows how to behave properly.  Most people believe strange things, and it's not a moral failing. 

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Permalink Reply by Dr.Grixis on October 13, 2012 at 8:31am

There are different kinds of truths, of which moral truth is only one. It seems to me that people are mostly questioning Israel's reasoning and understanding, not his character. The most important in any person is who he treats others. I've seen all kinds of theists do terrific and horrible things in the name of their deity, theism, or a lack thereof, is not a requirement for moral behavior.

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on October 13, 2012 at 11:28am

Well, in my opinion Doc - and I realize you're not saying otherwise - Israel has behaved like a good guest here and should be treated as such.

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Permalink Reply by Dr.Grixis on October 13, 2012 at 12:14pm

My thoughts exactly. 

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Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on October 13, 2012 at 8:40am

Yes, the two seem to be pretty independent.  What I meant was that how people treat others is the most important thing. 

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Permalink Reply by Dr.Grixis on October 13, 2012 at 8:48am

On that we can agree. 

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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on October 13, 2012 at 11:25am

Wow, Michael, you've just admitted you've changed your indoctrinated stance on some religious issues, seeing them as no longer valid, and it hasn't escaped my attention that you've made some purely secular contributions to some of the discussions recently. I'm impressed.

Stay away from those mushrooms and quit blathering on about megafauna, and who knows, you could become a real, live boy --

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Permalink Reply by SteveInCO on October 13, 2012 at 2:00pm

I am afraid this isn't the Michael you are thinking of.

http://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MichaelEck

vs

http://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Michael456

I hope MichaelEck doesn't feel too insulted by this mistake!  Meanwhile... perhaps, Michael, you should change your name to something like RationalMike?

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Permalink Reply by Strega on October 13, 2012 at 2:05pm

Good catch - I was foolishly optimistic there, I also thought he had woken up.  Oh well

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