I'm new to the site, at first I joined only to correct someone about Christian morality but I think I'll stay to see what some (not all) atheist think about everything. So yeah, I'm here to see the "culture" I guess and what are the trends in thought among at-least some atheist and when I decide I can, correct misunderstandings in Christian principle and I like the chat-room, so you might see me use it. Alright cool, thanks for reading and if you have any questions about the Christian faith, I'd be happy to answer em if I can.

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Wow, Michael, you've just admitted you've changed your indoctrinated stance on some religious issues, seeing them as no longer valid, and it hasn't escaped my attention that you've made some purely secular contributions to some of the discussions recently. I'm impressed.

Stay away from those mushrooms and quit blathering on about megafauna, and who knows, you could become a real, live boy --

I am afraid this isn't the Michael you are thinking of.




I hope MichaelEck doesn't feel too insulted by this mistake!  Meanwhile... perhaps, Michael, you should change your name to something like RationalMike?

Good catch - I was foolishly optimistic there, I also thought he had woken up.  Oh well

T-rex tissue

Triceratops horn tissue.

That's the best I've seen so far. More than that, I wouldn't be able to get into it.

There is that famous philosophical argument of design. Everywhere you see many man made things that have been designed. Like-wise the human being and animals show features fittingly designed.

That's what I've read about, really I mention the above just to tip you off, not to get in a debate about the above. Tipping you off is the best I could offer at my "level" of biology and geology.

I'm okay with getting corrected. Just don't expect me to earn a doctorate in biology or geology by tomorrow.

Look up oxymoron in the dictionary.  Christian morality.

You must not have met the right Christians.  I can think of two I would ask advice from any day of the week. 

Israel, why did god prefer Israel to other nations?!

I'm guessing it's because they were more willing to kiss his ass.

But if you ask any genuinely true believer, in either Christianity, Judaism or Islam, they are likely to respond with, "Who am I to question the will of god?"

If their god has a plan already determined for them (it’s all part of god’s plan) then are theists not asking their god to change his will each time they pray? Therefore they are constantly questioning his will?

It must irk him some to be petitioned by millions of them day in day out with requests to change his plans. Such multitasking abilities would tend to suggest their god may be female!!   

You know that's the incongruity that first caught me as a child.  If this deity knows and plans everything, what's the point in prayer?  Praises, I can get my head around, but petitioning? 

(they say their god is asexual, they just assign a gender to avoid saying "it".  on the other hand, I am female....if god is here, and I am here.... does that make me god?)

I wouldn't know, definitely. A vague plausible answer is... considering God is all knowing and wise... it would plausibly be the best decision to make. Also, its worth noting (depending on what your thinking) that God made a nation apparently... if your familiar with the story of Abraham, you'll remember that Abraham was chosen from some nation/tribe.... (notice God didn't chose this nation/tribe) and with this chosen individual, Abraham, he made a nation out of him.

Matthew 2:1 states that Herod was king of Israel sometime after Jesus was born (and presumably when he was born as well).  Herod died in 4 BCE.

Luke 2:2 states that the census that caused Joseph and Mary to go to Bethlehem happened while Quirinius was governor of Syria.  Quirinius became governor in 6 CE.

How do you reconcile these two accounts?  (Note that Jesus has to be born before 4BC and after 6AD for both to be true, and yet they both must be true if they are in the Bible.)

(By the way there is no record of such a census--that required one to go to his ancestral homeland--in ANY other records from that time.  Matthew doesn't mention it, and Luke does not mention the murder of the children or the trip to Egypt or the manger.)


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