Even the most ardent historian, male or female—citing Amazons and tribal matriarchies and Cleopatra—can’t conceal that women have basically done fuck all for the last 100,000 years. Come on—let’s admit it. Let’s stop exhaustingly pretending that there is a parallel history of women being victorious and creative, on an equal with men, that’s just been comprehensively covered up by The Man. There isn’t. Our empires, armies, cities, artworks, philosophers, philanthropists, inventors, scientists, astronauts, explorers, politicians and icons could all fit, comfortably into one of the private karaoke booths in SingStar. We have no Mozart; no Einstein; no Galileo; no Ghandi. No Beatles, no Churchill, no Hawking, no Columbus. It just didn’t happen.

Nearly everything so far has been the creation of men—and a liberal, right-on denial of it makes everything more awkward and difficult in the long run. Pretending that women have had a pop at all this before but ultimately didn’t do as well as the men, that the experiment of female liberation has already happened but floundered gives strength to the belief that women simply aren’t as good as men, full stop. That things should just carry on as they are—with the world shaped around, and honouring, the priorities, needs, whims, and successes of men. Women are over, without having even begun. When the truth is that we haven’t even begun at all. Of course we haven’t. We’ll know it when we have.

~Caitlin Moran

Do you agree or disagree with the above sentiment and statements, and why or why not?


NOTE: I'll be contrarian in the discussion, both because I find it fun, and also because echo chambers are boring.

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Women surpass men in IQ tests for first time ever.

Just saw this article and thought it might be relevant :)

That's great, but IQ is only one factor among quite a few contributing to success. Great mathematicians, for example, don't have a great record of success outside their field, and often not even within their field. Bobby Fischer might have had a higher IQ than Einstein, but that didn't keep him from being a jerk who never achieved much success outside the chess world. Traits that tend to adhere more to males than females, like egoism and single-minded (even obsessive) adherence to a task or goal can contribute to success and achieving goals others might find unreachable. Unfortunately, many of the objectively negative traits of men may actually contribute to their success.

Yes I agree, but it is a factor, nonetheless.  However, I was really looking more at the inference of "first time ever", indicatining that hitherto, men always surpassed women in such testings.

The article had follow-on links that I didn't chase down, but reference was made to the finding challenging previously held beliefs.

As regards the ability to focus completely one one thing for an extended period of time, I think men are far better at it than women.  I think women tend to think of many things at once.  It enables them to make connections and of course, multi-task.  On the down side, they don't compartmentalise mentally very well, and don't find it so natural to focus on one thing to the exclusion of everything else.

Having said that, it's a total generalisation, and there will be lots of people who buck the trend.  I think it is a trend, not a rule.

I find that whenever one makes a general statement with some truth to it, some people will start saying "Well not all (fill in the blank) are like that," and I want to say "I SAID it was generally true which implies that sometimes it's not," but why bother? Some people are meant to be thinkers and some aren't.

The women who succeed competing against men are usually those who adopt what might otherwise be described as male values and a masculine single-mindedness. Men are more likely to do what benefits them whereas women are more likely to take friends and family into account, which holds them back in many ways. This is why most of the most successful women are either single or are absentee moms whose kids are brought up by mommy surrogates (her own mother, a nanny, a day care, etc.). It's very hard to be a corporate CEO or write a symphony while caring for one's child(ren).

Sadly, I expect they still obsess about shoes instead of hand tools!

Linda was the first woman I had sexual intercourse with and as far as I'm concerned THAT was one hell of an accomplishment.

So what is it about you that made it such an accomplishment for her?

Chuckle, I'll never tell. :)

Maybe in the absence of having a dick , dick measuring is just not as important to successful women as opposed to successful men? So you hear about them less unless you go looking?

hmmm food for thought ey?


It been the experience of many men that women don't measure a man by the size of his dick, the size of his wallet seems to interest them more. :D

This why I keep my wallet full of receipts, it just appears to be bigger....

I think with so many women choosing the mommy track or choosing to let raising their children affect their career moves, one has to limit oneself to comparing the women who go "all in" when it comes to their career to men. Men on the whole do not let their children affect their career decisions to the degree that women do. Because of this difference between the sexes, I doubt if women will ever reach a parity that they, when viewed in the aggregate, are not even trying to achieve. 


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