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This is more of a three-part paper I've been writing, but I was hoping for some thoughts and feedback, good or bad. You can also read it here.

 

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Religion, Money, and Milk

 

Part I: The Milk

By Elli Leimone

 

                  We can be pretty repulsive. Not everybody, just the majority. And there’s really just no other way to put it; so consumed by our material possessions and pride and ‘purpose’. Our lives are flooded with propaganda, informing us of the proper lifestyles and correct viewpoints; the right opinions from the wrong opinions; what the newest and most popular products are; who’s important from who’s not; the correct way to dress from the incorrect way; which words to use and not to use, etc., etc.

                  When did everything become so excessive and unessential?

                  Self-respect and a little deserved self-indulgence is good, but narcissism and self-entitlement can be a plague. So, where’s the line? I believe it’s when the cost of our benefits include inhumanities, or harm toward others. Considering the various atrocities being committed by politicians, multi-national companies and an ever-increasing, self-entitled, mass public*; I think we’re so far from the line, we’ve forgotten there was a line in the first place. Lavishness at the expense of destabilizing poorer countries, promoting sweatshops, and stepping on the throats of your fellow man - this is the new “norm.”

                  ‘What does this have to do with milk’, you’re probably thinking? We’re getting there. Just be patient.

                  We tremble in wait for the newest iPhone, or next year’s car models, or the biggest, shiniest rock we can fit on our fingers. We spend more and more money because the more money we spend, the better we seem to feel. It’s all around us, all day, every day. It also seems to be getting easier and easier to spend money, and harder and harder to make it. Doesn’t it?

                  Marketers are getting better every day at using psychological tactics** to target our innermost desires and encourage our business. It’s so easy to lose ourselves in the madness, and sometimes we don’t even realize it.

                  Say that every day on our way to work we pass the same billboard. Itadvertises a fast food establishment with a deliciously enticing burger, juicy on a golden bun with a catchy slogan that may or may not peak our interest. While we may only ogle it for a second every day, eventually when we get hungry, there’s a good chance we’ll be thinking of that burger.

                  Or maybe a commercial presents a new brand of washing detergent, and we watch as the families using this product are always smiling and happy. It may not happen the first time, but after watching enough of that detergent’s commercials, thenext time we find ourselves doing laundry, we may feel gloomy. Could it be because we naturally find no pleasure in doing laundry? Probably, but there’s also a good chance our mind is correlatingdoing laundry with the happy detergent commercials and not having that product. It’s unlikely that we’d consciously connect the two, but our minds are always working for more efficient ways to live. It’s natural to want to be happy.

                  Take note of which detergent you buy next time you’re at the store, or the kind of paper towels you buy, or the brand of cereal. It’s probablyTide, Bounty, and HoneyNutCheerios. If not, then maybe it’s Gain, Bounce, and Mini Wheats. And it’s because you subconsciously yearn to feel an emotional response similar to that which is seen in the commercials.

Now, this may not always be the case, as we may buy a red shirt because red is our favorite color, or be frugal and buy a generic brand because it’s cheapest, or understand the influence of marketing. Various factors can come into play.It is, however, highly unlikely that we buy various products and test them through scientific method in order to draw our own conclusions.

                  Take into consideration any widely advertised fast food franchise. A lot of people probably eat there, and you may be thinking, ‘well, of course, it’s a widespread and popular place to eat’. Well,why is it a widespread and popular place to eat? Their food is often, generally, greasy, fattening, and unhealthy. Personally, I feel like crap after I eat fast food, and I eat fast food very infrequently. The immense number of people who feast from these establishments have probably been lured in not only by each other, but by the endless commercials, billboards, and various other advertising tactics that litter our lives.

                  Did you know that there arefarms*** where the animals are pumped full of GMO’s, poorly cared for, and kept in confined cages where they can’t even turn around or sit down? This saves space so they can fit more animals and gain more income. A GMO**** is a genetically mutated organism and the acronym is often used as a noun for the various genetic mutations, such as growth hormones. Growth hormonestell cells to grow. So, pumping animals full of extragrowth hormonesmakes them fatter, which means they produce more meat and product, which means more money can be earned. Some animals become so grotesquely fat, that they can’t stand on their own legs anymore. But, that’s okay, we don’t ever see or hear about it. It’s not our problem.

                  That is until we start to show signs of sickness*****, andour children are being born with deformities and weakened immune systems. Remember the phrase ‘we are what we eat’? It’s not far from the truth. What we eat becomes digested into our body and bloodstream. That means whatever is in the food, good and bad, will enter our bloodstream, including the GMO’s. Which means, on a molecular level, we are slowly being changed, and not for the better.

                  Some may say GMO’s allow us to shortcut evolution, by selecting the traits we want. Evolution may slowly trial and error its way to efficiency, but what we “want”, or think we need, may not be efficient at all. We are far from gods, as there are still many ailments we have and don’t know how to cure, or simply don’t know about, yet, and everything interacts with everything else in a very particular way. If we change something that we don’t realize is imperative to a particular act in nature, who knows what can happen? We might accidentally destroy a plant that holds a cure for some serious infection we may or may not have discovered yet.

                  Now, for your featured presentation:

                  Milk is generally promoted as healthy for us to consume, but there is clinical evidence that suggests otherwise. Did you know that? After a certain age (Some say around age four, some say only a year), we are not supposed to consume a lot of milk******, because biologically, milk is meant for infants and young who are still growing. It is supposedly, especially unhealthy to drink too much milk of another species, if we’re supposed to at all. Think about it… Mother Nature did not present cow milk as a gift to humans; it’s primarily for the calves of the cows. That milk has proteins and nutrients to help that scrawny young thing to become a massive, meaty beast. What do you think happens when we drink it?

                  For a long time, and until recently, Milk has been one of the biggest consumed products in the grocery market, (other sources of ‘milk’ have been on the rise as of lately, like soy and almond). But milk has been encouraged to be a part of everyone’s diets, because it helps “build strong bones” and is a good source of an abundance of various nutrients we need for growth, such as fats, carbs, proteins, vitamins, minerals, etc.

                  But, as more studies are being performed, milk is being seen as riskier and riskier to consume. The natural protein known as Insulin-like Growth Hormone-I, also known as IGF-I and the most powerful hormone in our bodies, is an identical hormone between cow and human. So when we drink the milk of a cow, we are getting an excess amount of IGF-I, telling our bodies we need to be bigger. What happens when too many cells grow together in one place? Guess. Studies done in the past have proven the correlation between milk and iron deficiencies, obesity, acne, and, yes, various tumors (such as ovarian, prostate, breast, and lung cancers).

                  As if that’s not bad enough, there is a genetically engineered hormone known as Bovine*******, and Bovine not only increases complications for the animal, like trouble reproducing, but also increases the Insulin Growth Hormone in milk by ten percent, which, when entering our bodies through milk, creates an even bigger excess of IGF-I in our bodies. The FDA supposedly knew this when deciding to give the ‘go ahead’ on Bovine insertion into milk years ago, I believe in the early 1990’s.

                  Be aware I am not necessarily suggesting we rid ourselves of milk altogether. I aim to inform people, so that they may hopefully choose to further inform themselves and make their own opinions. I think GMO could potentially be helpful to our species, but only with much more testing and assessment.

                  For the future, I predict that not only will more information be released about the negative effects of milk as it becomes a lesser encouraged and consumed beverage, but its competitors, like soymilk and almond milk, will both rise in price and genetic-tampering, just as milk has.

                  But I bet you can’t guess why all of this information isn’t common knowledge?

                  Did you guess money? Yeah, go figure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note to the Reader:

                  Although this is intended to be an informative piece and I have listed various sources to support the information I have listed, please be aware that it is simply my interpretation of the observations found. If you are interested in a search for truth and facts, I encourage you to do your own research and not just follow the perspective of one person.

                  That said, I am in a search for truth. If you find legitimate sources with facts contradictory to what I have written or simply wish to converse your views and opinions, Idesire for them to be sharedwith me.

 

http://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/ElliLeimone

www.issuu.com/ellileimone

saint.virtue@gmail.com

 

 

Sources:

* Inhumanities
        A. Bayer Knowingly Gives AIDS infested Medications to Other Countries (http://goo.gl/nRgzsu )

        B. Lobbyists and Politicians Can Have Sex (http://goo.gl/ZCgFpF )

        C.Police Brutality and Racism (http://goo.gl/UFXwji )

        D.Guantanamo Bay, Wrongly Imprisoned (http://goo.gl/eUuz04 ), (http://goo.gl/yj2tUZ )

 

** Psychological Tactics in Marketing
        A. What Is Marketing? (http://goo.gl/OXC6TW )

        B. A Few Tactics Used (http://goo.gl/SfTLfH )

        C. More Tactics...( http://goo.gl/XXFxcQ )

        D. Color (http://goo.gl/06eU3N )     

 

***Factory Farms
        A. What Is a Factory Farm (http://goo.gl/JXJQ6P )

        B. Factory Farm’s Effect on Health (http://goo.gl/5m1pm8 )

        C. How Many Farms Are There? (http://goo.gl/8Z2M7e )

        D. Various Facts on Factory Farming (http://goo.gl/dp0mz4 )

 

**** GMO’s and Caused Sicknesses
        A. What Is GMO? (http://goo.gl/lh2bY1 )

        B.Why We Should Avoid GMO’s (http://goo.gl/DP7TmA )

        C.Unintended Health Risks (http://goo.gl/p0yU7B )

        D.Good Old Roundup (http://goo.gl/cyyLjc )

 

*****Milk Consumption
        A. IGF-I, Bone Fracture Case Study, Bovine (http://goo.gl/Qfjup8)

        B. Milk and Obesity (http://goo.gl/qOZPe6)

        C.What Happens When You Stop Drinking It, and Other Facts (http://goo.gl/TymWcc )

        D.Debunking Some Myths (http://goo.gl/4Uf7fa )

        E. Don’t Finish That Glass (http://goo.gl/HPHY3X )

        F. Milk Consumption in US (http://goo.gl/INaKGV )

 

******Bovine
        A. What Is Bovine (http://goo.gl/NxCAfh )

        B. FDA Approves Bovine (http://goo.gl/WfmsLm )

        C.Monsanto Tries (http://goo.gl/XoiQAI )

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"That milk has proteins and nutrients to help that scrawny young thing to become a massive, meaty beast. What do you think happens when we drink it?"

Uh, we receive proteins and nutrients. Just like other food sources. I can only speak from experience. I have consumed reasonable amounts of milk all my life, although lately it is the low fat variety. I consider myself healthier than the average junk food eating American. No heart disease, no high blood pressure, or excessive LDL cholesterol, etc.

It might be that some individuals, of the lactate intolerant variety, have difficulty processing milk. Others can drink it by the glass full and have no noticeable negative effects. Personally I am more worried about the additives, hormones, steroids, pesticides, etc that are showing up in all our commercial food sources. A good idea is to plant a garden and eat with a greater peace of mind.

 

GMOS are not all bad please tell me how that banna was you had this morning then tell me how that GMO was bad...Nature does this with evolution changing the DNA to make this better but it takes 1000 generations for anything to change and we humans simply don't have that time. GMOs are like artificial selection we are selecting the things we want.

Rationalwiki has a funny article on the topic.

Revised Edition - Post Edited March 25, 2015, 3:07

Mainly grammatical, word placement, and some new information.

Reply To THYPLAGUEDOCTOR

 

Although that banana I had this morning possibly had GMO’s, it wasn’t done naturally. ‘Naturally’ defeats the purpose of ‘Genetically Modifying’, or “artificially selecting what we want”, as you put it. I also think it is highly unfair to compare what evolution does to what we do with GMO’s. Evolution may slowly trial and error its way to efficiency, but what we “want”, or think we need, may not be efficient at all. We are far from gods, as there are still many ailments we have and don’t know how to cure, or simply don’t know about, yet.

 

Also, who’s deciding “what we want”? I’ve never been asked if I wanted extra hormones in my milk, regardless of its affects.

 

Davis Goodman’s Link from his post above is quoted as saying:  “GM food can have a variety of traits which do not occur in nature and are impossible to obtain using other methods of breeding. It is a way to short-circuit the millions of years of evolution and artificial selection…”

 

It goes on to say, “On the other hand, the newly introduced traits might disrupt the ecosystem surrounding a GM crop field, particularly when GM crops interbreed with wild relatives.”

 

I think they word it very well, which is why I quote it.

 

You say GMO’s are natural, but I’m sorry to suggest you’ve missed the point. GMO literally means ‘genetically mutated organism’, or ‘genetically modified organism’. Genetic mutation in the sense that we use it is not natural, so I neither can, nor am I, tackling the naturalness you speak of. I am tackling the unnaturalness of what we are doing with GMO’s.

 

There are cases, currently, where crops are being sprayed by GM ‘weed killer’ that actually kills everything except plants that have been genetically modified. When that spray catches wind, it damages GM-free crops. There are also cases where GM crops are pollinating the GM-free fields of other farmers. His crops become tainted by GMO’s.

 

You talk of naturalness, but we perform very irrational and unnatural forms of genetic mutation. For instance, crops naturally produce seed offspring for pollinating, but a growing number of crop seeds are being genetically mutated to not produce seed offspring. That means farmers have to repurchase seeds after every crop. I mention this briefly in “Part II: The Money”, which is currently being written.

 

But can you imagine how dangerous it is to stop plants from pollinating? I refer to primarily our food, because that can be detrimental to our existence. The ecosystem is the ecosystem for a reason.

 

I agree with you on evolution, I am a Darwinist myself. Although a slow process, evolution does trial and error things into the most efficient way of survival, and it can be very slow. But everything interacts with everything else in a particular way. If we change something that we don’t realize is imperative to a particular act in nature, who knows what can happen? We might accidentally destroy a plant that holds a cure for some serious infection we may or may not have discovered yet.

 

I realize my paper suggests that I am completely against GMO’s, but that is not necessarily true. As for common knowledge, people are generally either okay with them or not knowledgeable of them. I am simply offering a counter view. So, I’m not saying no to all GMO’s. I’m not saying they are all bad. I’m not stating any definitive opinions.

 

I’m saying we need to review and reevaluate the way we are currently doing things. That is the purpose of the three-part paper.

 

I would like to share a TED Talks video called, “Why You Should Care About Whale Poo”, spoken by Asha de Vos.

 

Another related video you may be interested in is TED Talks, Ameenah Gurib Fakim’s, “Humble Plants That Hide Surprising Secrets”.

Everything interacts with everything else in a particular way, and for a particular reason, a lot of which we don’t know or understand, yet. I don’t think we accurately assess certain tactics before accepting them into our societies. Like FRACKING, which I also talk about in Part II.

 

To reiterate, I’m not for or against GMO’s; it deserves more than a black or white verdict, as such is often not beneficial in my opinion. I just want people to be aware of what GMO’s are and how we’re using them.

Although that banana I had this morning possibly had GMO’s, it wasn’t done naturally. ‘Naturally’ defeats the purpose of ‘Genetically Modifying’, or “artificially selecting what we want”, as you put it. I also think it is highly unfair to compare what evolution does to what we do with GMO’s. Evolution may slowly trial and error its way to efficiency, but what we “want”, or think we need, may not be efficient at all. We are far from gods, as there are still many ailments we have and don’t know how to cure, or simply don’t know about, yet.

 

Point taken still how are ALL GMOs bad I can see milk sure okay...but does that mean ALL gmos are bad?

Also, who’s deciding “what we want”? I’ve never been asked if I wanted extra hormones in my milk, regardless of its affects.

 I assume scientist who are modifying the food? Also I didn't even mention milk all I said was GMOs

Davis Goodman’s Link from his post above is quoted as saying:  “GM food can have a variety of traits which do not occur in nature and are impossible to obtain using other methods of breeding. It is a way to short-circuit the millions of years of evolution and artificial selection…”

How is that a bad thing we are coming to the point where we can change foods to make them better....I mean sure its not totally good but we need to just be responsible about this.

It goes on to say, “On the other hand, the newly introduced traits might disrupt the ecosystem surrounding a GM crop field, particularly when GM crops interbreed with wild relatives.”

 .....Okay MIGHT doesnt leave much to the imagination its all new the only way to get it right is to first get it wrong. "It may have taken me 999 wrong ways to make a light bulb but I only needed one right way to make it work.." Thomas Edison paraphrased.

I think they word it very well, which is why I quote it.

 Okay and your point is what?

You say GMO’s are natural, but I’m sorry to suggest you’ve missed the point. GMO literally means ‘genetically mutated organism’, or ‘genetically modified organism’. Genetic mutation in the sense that we use it is not natural, so I neither can, nor am I, tackling the naturalness you speak of. I am tackling the unnaturalness of what we are doing with GMO’s.

I ASSUMED they were sometimes I never said they were natural to my knowledge and if I did I misspoke and am sorry. But we are doing this...Nature uses mutation all the time in evolution why can't we so long as we do so carefully...I agree it might not BE natural, but what if it helps us grow more food the the 7 BILLION ppl on this planet 2-3 million of them of which are STILL starving. 

There are cases, currently, where crops are being sprayed by GM ‘weed killer’ that actually kills everything except plants that have been genetically modified. When that spray catches wind, it damages GM-free crops. There are also cases where GM crops are pollinating the GM-free fields of other farmers. His crops become tainted by GMO’s.

Well I agree this is bad and that just means we need better controls better means of doing this...That does not make GMOS a bad thing. Though listening to the evidence here is shifting my position slightly.... 

You talk of naturalness, but we perform very irrational and unnatural forms of genetic mutation. For instance, crops naturally produce seed offspring for pollinating, but a growing number of crop seeds are being genetically mutated to not produce seed offspring. That means farmers have to repurchase seeds after every crop. I mention this briefly in “Part II: The Money”, which is currently being written.

I see...I don't like this but again that just means we need better controls this is a new thing with a lot of potential to strengthen our foods and grow more.

But can you imagine how dangerous it is to stop plants from pollinating? I refer to primarily our food, because that can be detrimental to our existence. The ecosystem is the ecosystem for a reason.

The ecosystem is the ecosystem for a reason?? PSSHH you sound like a creationist touting that its "GAWD" I know your not but no its this way NOW the ecosystem is going to constantly change if we don't keep ahead of it lets just say the movie interstellar might become a harsh reality....

I agree with you on evolution, I am a Darwinist myself. Although a slow process, evolution does trial and error things into the most efficient way of survival, and it can be very slow. But everything interacts with everything else in a particular way. If we change something that we don’t realize is imperative to a particular act in nature, who knows what can happen? We might accidentally destroy a plant that holds a cure for some serious infection we may or may not have discovered yet.

I agree, however whats to say we are also not doing trial and error here? We got natural and artificial selection sure....but why not genetic selection? How long before we can genetically get rid of cancer genes or bald genes or idk whatever else....I agree that GMOs are...tenuous...But again I feel they hold...Potential...Though my position on GMOS...is I will say shifting...Though I still feel they could be a force for good.

I realize my paper suggests that I am completely against GMO’s, but that is not necessarily true. As for common knowledge, people are generally either okay with them or not knowledgeable of them. I am simply offering a counter view. So, I’m not saying no to all GMO’s. I’m not saying they are all bad. I’m not stating any definitive opinions.

Good to hear. I agree with a lot of what you say I was just commenting on how a banana is a GMO last I checked :P

I’m saying we need to review and reevaluate the way we are currently doing things. That is the purpose of the three-part paper.

I agree

Everything interacts with everything else in a particular way, and for a particular reason, a lot of which we don’t know or understand, yet. I don’t think we accurately assess certain tactics before accepting them into our societies. Like FRACKING, which I also talk about in Part II.

It does that NOW though it hasnt always done it the way it is now humans have changed so much about our world as when dinos were around the plants and animals were different. But I do agree it is like a stack of cards take out the wrong card it all comes down, or if you prefer JENGA! :D

To reiterate, I’m not for or against GMO’s; it deserves more than a black or white verdict, as such is often not beneficial in my opinion. I just want people to be aware of what GMO’s are and how we’re using them.

I agree thus why I didn't stop you...I was only posting my own opinions. I will say I didn't realize it was this bad...

ThyPlagueDoctor

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“Uh, we receive proteins and nutrients..”

 

I go on to explain after the quote you listed how milk is full of nutrients, but raises IGF-I levels, which is the dangerous part of drinking milk.

 

Also, and I realize this is a very specific example, there are nutrients in wine, too, such as vitamins, but it’s still poison as far as our bodies are concerned, and can cause various health problems if consumed too much or too often.

 

“I have consumed reasonable amounts of milk all my life…”

 

Not everybody will necessarily show symptoms in their lifetime. That doesn’t mean in a generation or two, your offspring won’t show some. Not everybody gets cancer from smoking their whole lives, and yet it can cause various problems for offspring, such as respiratory problems.

 

No offense, but to say that something doesn’t have any negative effects because you don’t see any seems closed minded to me. If you’re not looking, or don’t know to look, how can you say for sure whether there are or not?

 

People, it seems to me, tend to have a ‘that can’t happen to me’ mindset, and I find that very unhealthy. As kids, and while we grow up, we often don’t think to question the things we’re told. I mean, why should we? Our parents have survived long enough to have us, and there’s no reason they’d tell us wrong. But I believe there’s a certain point in everybody’s lives when we need to challenge our views and opinions. It’s not like I’m impervious. I’m just saying. People don’t usually do in-depth research on something unless it directly affects them in some way.

 

I agree that the hormones, additives, steroids, etc. are the problem. They are GMO’s, which is why I talk about GMO’s. It’s not just the milk, it’s the effects on the animals, and our food, and us; a concept that requires looking beyond simply what is written to be grasped. Personally, I don’t see how the GM’s in our milk is any less dangerous than the GM’s in our food. It still has the potential of being negative. Just because you haven’t seen any symptoms thus far, doesn't mean for a fact that it is healthy or unhealthy. It means you haven’t seen symptoms.

 

It would be nice if we could plant gardens in our back yards, and some people do, but GM companies aim to make more and more GM crops. That’s how they make money. We've been eating GM food for decades, so I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of our food has been genetically mutated already. This is a very cynical statement, and I realize that. I don't appreciate my food being tampered with and then the tampering be hidden, as GM companies are currently aiming to pass in law.

"Also, and I realize this is a very specific example, there are nutrients in wine, too, such as vitamins, but it’s still poison as far as our bodies are concerned, and can cause various health problems if consumed too much or too often."

Since I own a vineyard I can't let this one slide. There is demonstrable evidence that wine has elements to it that are certainly beneficial (anti-oxidants, etc), especially the reds. Like all things moderation is key. A detailed medical study of elderly people over several decades at a retirement community in California revealed that those who lived longer than most at the facility had 1 or 2 alcoholic beverages a day compared to the teetotalers who expired sooner. It could be a coincidence but maybe not.

" I don't appreciate my food being tampered with...."

I repeat, grow a garden and screw the chemical oligarchy. 

"No offense, but to say that something doesn’t have any negative effects because you don’t see any seems closed minded to me. If you’re not looking, or don’t know to look, how can you say for sure whether there are or not?"

No offense taken. But the point I am making is that if I feel great each and every day with the fairly healthy lifestyle I am subjecting my body to what sense does it make to go and have analysis done to try and discover a potential problem? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I also have a problem with these folks who ingest a daily regime of bottled vitamins to try and get the upper hand on things. Pills, pills, pills. Our society is obsessed with pills. The cure seems worse than the problem. But I digress. 

If Americans would get back to the land and learn the importance of organic LOCAL foodstuffs that are grown with our own two hands many problems, including the industrial chemical oligarchy, would go away or become less severe. I had my hands in mother's dirt for three hours today. Love it- more should try it.

You have a right to be concerned about what goes into your and your children's mouths. You are concerned more than most. If others won't get on board with your GMO concerns, just like climate change, do what you can as an individual to mitigate your risk. This includes supporting local organic farm operations, buying at local farmer's markets, and, last but not least, growing a garden. In this day of withering technological advancement I feel many in our culture has lost that valuable earthly connection and appreciation with our mother planet. I wish you well. 

If Americans would get back to the land and learn the importance of organic LOCALfoodstuffs that are grown with our own two hands many problems, including the industrial chemical oligarchy, would go away or become less severe.

This topic is not one of my specialties, and not to open a can of worms, but do you worry about the possibility that large-scale industrial farming is the only way to support a world of over 7 billion? Or that, for example, people who live in northern climates would no longer be able to eat oranges? Certainly there's no drawback to gardening and supporting local farming. But I'm not sure it's an actual solution to the problems inherent in modern food production. I kind of think reforming the system is going to be the only realistic course of action.

I can eat strawberries year round, but for about 9 months of the year they couldn't possibly be local. Bananas? Can they be commercially grown anywhere in the United States?

I have been using non-gmo "rice dream" milk for years in my coffee and cereal. I like the taste... As Lewis Black says about soy milk..it is not milk, soy has no titties...its really soy juice but that sounds horrible.

Ingredients: filtered water, brown rice (partially milled), expeller pressed high oleic safflower oil, tricalcium phosphate, sea salt, vitamin A palmitate, vitamin D2, vitamin B12.

That sounds both delicious, and healthy. I am personally a lover of soymilk, but even that, like much else, has its pros and cons. I'll have to try this 'rice dream' milk. Thanks.

I love my coffee, and I'm one of those people who realizes that, yes, I can survive without it. But I really, really, really don't want to.. lol

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