I cannot participate in a forum where I am censored. The admins here are censoring my right to free speech out of a ridiculous sense of PC-soaked idiocy (based probably on requests for censorship raised by Reg the Fronkey Farmer and Gallup's Mirror)
The fact that the welfare state induces dysgenics based on IQ has been proven many times over. Human biological diversity is also true. If I am not even allowed argue my case, then what is the point of having a debate? I am not even allowed to reply to accusations of racism that have been levelled against me.
I have no doubt that Reg and Gallup will continue thinking of themselves as open-minded even after this incident - they have the ability to believe whatever it is they want to believe.
You can thank philosophy for almost all the critical thinking going on here and throughout history since the presocratics.
"You can thank philosophy for almost all the critical thinking going on here and throughout history since the presocratics."
You can thank critical thinking for philosophy. :)
"...if there is a hell, you, Reg and I are probably damned to it already."
What do you mean "if"??? (I've got a front row seat.)LOL
This conversation took a much more interesting turn than they usually do on non-atheist sites.
I went back and look, here is where Civ began his decline;
Prevention is better than cure. I really don't think we should focus our resources on rehabilitation of existing violent criminals - I think realistically that cause is hopeless. A better approach is to stop the dysfunctional social mechanics which caused this problem in the first place."
I certainly agree with the part in bold.
There is an atavistic module in female sexuality..."
And down the rabbit he went.
From that point on he picked up steam and it was off to the racism races.
Belle, did Civ know what he was doing?
Belle, was it on purpose?
Belle, did he comprehend what his posts and links were describing?
Belle, at the beginning of your post you had a lot of sentences that started with "I believe...", you may want to reexamine those beliefs.
In the end Civ may want to reexamine his own ideology.
The people that come to us offer many challeges. Would it help to have a little more 'free-will' in our labels we place upon each other, and a little more 'reserving judgement' as we converse?
Maybe a few lessons from Socratic Method might be helpful.
a) ask more questions.
b) test answers to see what they might imply.
c) stay away from personal attacks.
d) offer evidence, where possible, to control 'wild' accusations.
e) test answers against the metric 'is it just?'.
There's a difference between honestly seeking debate and just hoping that people will jump on board and support you. There's a difference between trying to find out what people think, and just trying to make everyone agree with you. Posts like this one, where he suggests one must agree with him or one is closed-minded, don't sit well with me.
I think a person can have good intentions but still commit hate speech or even abuse. The best intentions in the world are useless if you're not willing to learn from the people around you. So you think your words are not hateful--but other people think they are? Learn why! Listen to what they have to say.
I really appreciate you, Belle, that ability to look for the best in everybody is very important.
Sorry Gallup. I missed it from those links. What makes him a hypocrit? I don't see the connection. I'm a little slow, lol
A hypocrite acts in contradiction to his own stated beliefs or feelings.
Civi quit over what he called censorship (quashing or destroying the expression of others) after apparently torching six pages of material authored mostly by other TA members.
I always see the good in people. All people. I don't like watching anyone get dragged through the mud. Anyone. I have empathy for all people, even people who have committed horrendous crimes. Afterall I used to escort murderers and rapists to the hospital... All people have some good.
Civi may be a great guy in every other respect. But in this one, he's a racial bigot. Whatever mud he ended up in was his own doing.