I cannot participate in a forum where I am censored. The admins here are censoring my right to free speech out of a ridiculous sense of PC-soaked idiocy (based probably on requests for censorship raised by Reg the Fronkey Farmer and Gallup's Mirror)

The fact that the welfare state induces dysgenics based on IQ has been proven many times over. Human biological diversity is also true. If I am not even allowed argue my case, then what is the point of having a debate? I am not even allowed to reply to accusations of racism that have been levelled against me.

I have no doubt that Reg and Gallup will continue thinking of themselves as open-minded even after this incident - they have the ability to believe whatever it is they want to believe.

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@Reg:

"... I have no problems with anyone “picking on Reg"..."

You Bastard...(snicker)...you do realize that I read, analyze, research, consider and then carefully compose a response to all the posts I respond to.  This process takes time.

You and GM put so many different and sometimes divergent bits into your posts that I have to shorten my masturbation time just to respond, damn you both to hell. :D

While I do enjoy playing with my little dinky friend, my one really great joy is riding my Triumph Street Triple and right now the twisties be a calling maybe later. :)

You and GM put so many different and sometimes divergent bits into your posts that I have to shorten my masturbation time just to respond, damn you both to hell. :D

I'm trying to get the implications of that statement out of my thoughts. :S

Gregg, you have at least the consolation that, if there is a hell, you, Reg and I are probably damned to it already.

Sadly, from my reading of Revelations, yes, sorry, I did read the damn thing, most of the historical and non-historical human population is going to hell anyway. Heaven only has room for 144000 it seems, which then begs the questions,'Why 144000?' and 'Does God have some southern BBQ cultural heritage?'  

Such would imply that, most of the people we might have any respect for, or not,  will be sharing a rather well attended BBQ, sadly the beer will not be cold, and any questions will by then be mostly settled beyond the point.

This is of course playing to the assertion of 'Hell' as a 'place'. I leave it to you to determine if 'masturbation' is still possible, in the abstract.... 

 

 I leave it to you to determine if 'masturbation' is still possible, in the abstract.... 

Yes. You can still get a degree in philosophy.

@kris:

I laughed and I laughed and laughed. (I can see Socrates right now preparing a list of questions for you) :)

You can thank philosophy for almost all the critical thinking going on here and throughout history since the presocratics.

@Unseen:

"You can thank philosophy for almost all the critical thinking going on here and throughout history since the presocratics."

OR

You can thank critical thinking for philosophy. :)

@GM:

"...if there is a hell, you, Reg and I are probably damned to it already."

What do you mean "if"??? (I've got a front row seat.)LOL

This conversation took a much more interesting turn than they usually do on non-atheist sites.

@Belle Rose:

I went back and look, here is where Civ began his decline;

"Civ said:

Prevention is better than cure. I really don't think we should focus our resources on rehabilitation of existing violent criminals - I think realistically that cause is hopeless. A better approach is to stop the dysfunctional social mechanics which caused this problem in the first place."

I certainly agree with the part in bold.

"Civ continues:

There is an atavistic module in female sexuality..."

And down the rabbit he went.

From that point on he picked up steam and it was off to the racism races.

Belle, did Civ know what he was doing?

Belle, was it on purpose?

Belle, did he comprehend what his posts and links were describing?

Belle, at the beginning of your post you had a lot of sentences that started with "I believe...", you may want to reexamine those beliefs.

In the end Civ may want to reexamine his own ideology.

The people that come to us offer many challeges. Would it help to have a little more 'free-will' in our labels we place upon each other, and a little more 'reserving judgement' as we converse?

Maybe a few lessons from Socratic Method might be helpful.

a) ask more questions.

b) test answers to see what they might imply.

c) stay away from personal attacks.

d) offer evidence, where possible, to control 'wild' accusations.

e) test answers against the metric 'is it just?'. 

There's a difference between honestly seeking debate and just hoping that people will jump on board and support you. There's a difference between trying to find out what people think, and just trying to make everyone agree with you. Posts like this one, where he suggests one must agree with him or one is closed-minded, don't sit well with me.

I think a person can have good intentions but still commit hate speech or even abuse. The best intentions in the world are useless if you're not willing to learn from the people around you. So you think your words are not hateful--but other people think they are? Learn why! Listen to what they have to say.

I really appreciate you, Belle, that ability to look for the best in everybody is very important.

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