Gödel's ontological proof is a formal argument for God's existence by the mathematician Kurt Gödel. It is in a line of development that goes back to Anselm of Canterbury. St. Anselm's ontological argument, in its most succinct form, is as follows: "God, by definition, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist." A more elaborate version was given by Gottfried Leibniz; this is the version that Gödel studied and attempted to clarify with his ontological argument.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_ontological_proof

 

can any one explain me clearly... what shit is this?? my friend is clinging on this and quantum mechanics, probability for the proof of God's existense...

 

I'm not a physics student... so can some one help me out???

Yes the problem is some people confuse "in their understanding" with "in their imagination"

God, by definition, is that for which no greater can be conceived.

1. Whose definition is that?

2. Why call something for which no greater can be conceived "God"?

3. What does greater mean? By which standards and in what aspects does this greater apply?

4. Giving the meaning of "great" this would apply to many things.

5. There are things that cannot be conceived. Does this mean God is limited by what we can conceive?

6. This says nothing about this "God". It doesn't say it's a person, creator, healer, or killer. It doesn't say it's Yahweh, Zeus, Thor, or an unimagined personal god.

7. So basically, this says that there is something that is extremely great (again, what does great mean?) out there and that is God. What's the point to this and why not call it The Greatest Thing, or The Greatest Thing Imaginable?

8. Why am I still asking questions?

9. Isn't it obvious it's a meaningless rhetoric?

10. Did I subconsciously want to stop asking questions at the tenth one because I actually believe in the 10 commandments?

10. Did I subconsciously want to stop asking questions at the tenth one because I actually believe in the 10 commandments?

 

Relax, your 4th and 6th weren't really questions, so you actually stopped at the 8th one - more likely because of an obsession with tentacled critters than with the Decalogue.

If god is real, he/she/it is one dumb ass!  Instead of getting ancients to write 66 stories of nonsense, he/she/it could have just told all humans of his existence by word of mouth.  Then we could all worship in unison, everyday, to the great one!  As a parent I would never treat my kids the way god treats his so-called flock! You don't need to be an Einstein to figure that one out.  KISS ( Keep it simple, stupid)

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