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Permalink Reply by luis on October 17, 2009 at 5:21am

its messy because of sin

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Permalink Reply by Shine on October 18, 2009 at 12:08am

What causal links do you draw between specific sins and specific design flaws? Even something that may be construed as a divine punishment for sin, such as natural disasters, does not establish logical causality. If the messiness of natural disasters is due to sin, why do so many of these disasters occur in uninhabited areas where there is no effect on humanity?

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Permalink Reply by Aric on January 4, 2009 at 9:04pm

Well, according to religious people "God" creates natural disasters to punish sinners. Of course, there is usually quite a bit of collateral damage. "God" has pretty terrible aim when it comes to punishing individuals.

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Permalink Reply by luis on October 17, 2009 at 5:25am

God allows natural disasters for his higher purposes. check out "job" in the bible ,also "job"was a believer,also im not religous but spiritual, theres a difference Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Permalink Reply by SevenTenths on January 4, 2009 at 9:32pm

Excerpts from Epicurus lead off "The Portable Atheist" I love reading seriously old thought .

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Permalink Reply by Frink on January 5, 2009 at 5:29pm

One has to wonder why organisms are so susceptible to disease and death. Oh, wait, that's right, when the rib-woman ate the fruit from the tree with the talking snake, God put an ancient curse on people which made them die... 70-90 years after being born.

For taking only six days to create the universe, he sure does dilly-dally on his punishments.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Mills on May 21, 2009 at 3:33pm

Placement: Why would one put a waste disposal site right next to a playground???

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Permalink Reply by Dave G on May 22, 2009 at 12:03pm

And the system to shunt air/food/water to one or the other often misfires.

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Permalink Reply by S.A. Alenthony on May 28, 2009 at 11:09pm

You all really need to check out http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/4/part2.html for a wonderful and extremely long list of poor or malevolent designs from "The Designer."

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Permalink Reply by Galen on October 17, 2009 at 8:33pm

And let's not forget the human eye. ID theorists LOVE to point out the human eye as an example of God's perfect design. But really, if we were to design a camera like the human eye, it would have all the wires and electronic components criss-crossing in front of the photoreceptors with special software to edit that stuff out of the picture on-the-fly. The engineer designing that shit would be looking for a new job!

Not to mention the myriad of problems with the eye. How many people in the world need glasses because their eyeball is too long or too short to properly focus light?

I have a rare visual disorder that, because of one little gene screwing up makes me completely colorblind, extremely photo-sensitive, and legally blind. I dare a religitard to tell me God's design of the eye is "perfect!" HMPH!

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Permalink Reply by Nix Manes on October 18, 2009 at 7:11am

Being made in the "image" of god, his "likeness," he didn't really do any planning. He just copied himself.

I have had some believers say that the Genesis line where this is contained doesn't mean that god made a literal copy of himself. I argue otherwise. The verse uses two synonyms, which is an obvious effort to drive home the point: Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness... If it wasn't meant to mean that we are beings with bodies pretty much exactly like god's, then the writer wouldn't have used such a a common technique to emphasize the point. They wanted us to think we were like god (or the gods, but that's another issue).

So, no real design was used or even pondered, really. Just an existing template. Which raises the question...does god shit? or pick his nose? or scratch his ass? or clip his toenails? or brush his teeth? or have B.O.? shave his balls? or....well, you get the idea.

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Permalink Reply by Camilo on October 18, 2009 at 10:14am

hahaha!!!! I think that God is pretty much made in OUR image!! Since it was humans like us (well not exactly) that created God.

-"So, no real design was used or even pondered, really. Just an existing template. Which raises the question...does god shit? or pick his nose? or scratch his ass? or clip his toenails? or brush his teeth? or have B.O.? shave his balls? or....well, you get the idea."-

This is awesome!!! :)

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